• Jordanna’s approach to spiritual growth or personal development
• How to bring more humanness into the pursuit of becoming your best self
• Personal development and spiritual growth cycles and learning to love the “in between”
• What exactly manifesting is
• The manifesting equation
• The part of the Manifesting Equation people struggle with the most 
• The biggest mistakes people make when it comes to manifesting NOT working for them
• Does picturing or thinking about something negative kill your manifesting game?
• Can you manifest for other people? 
• The biggest lesson Jords’ has learnt in the process of uncovering the art of manifesting

Jordanna Levine
Author, Podcaster, Manifestor & Lunar Lover
https://jordannalevin.com/

Intro 0:00  

Hello and welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, with your hosts Natalie K. Douglas, Thyroid Healer, and Kate Callaghan, The Holistic Nutritionist. Nat and Kate are degree-qualified dietitians and nutritionists, certified fitness instructors, speakers, and authors. If you love unfiltered banter, unedited bloopers, and authentic heart-sharing, then we are your ladies! Now it’s time to sit back, relax, and get ready for our latest tips on living your healthiest life possible. 

Natalie K. Douglas 0:37  

Hey, guys, it’s Nat here. I wanted to jump in and give you a quick background on this week’s amazing guest, Jordanna Levin. She’s an author, podcaster, manifester, lunar lover, and (closet) stand-up comic, who has a real knack for taking mind-exploding spiritual concepts and making them digestible, relatable, and applicable to everyone. Jord’s runs two incredible podcast, one solo called Lunar Lover, and one with the beautiful Hollie as a party called, The Middle. Jord has also really recently released an absolutely amazing book called Make it Happen, which we believe is a must-read for all of you guys wanting to live your best life. You can find out more about her offerings by her website, JordannaLevin.com, and her social media channels which we will pop in the show notes. We hope you enjoy this chat as much as we did.

Kate Callaghan 1:35  

Hello and welcome to another episode of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. Today, I am very excited to have one of my dear friends. Jordi, welcome to the podcast.

Jordanna Levin 1:48  

Thank you. Hello. So nice to be here.

Kate Callaghan 1:51  

So nice to have you. God. When do we meet? Like 15 years ago when I was working at the shafe and.

Jordanna Levin 1:58  

Look, I think so shafe’s been conservative to be honest with you. Can’t stay even longer than that, but yes sounds good 15 is correct.

Kate Callaghan 2:07  

Wasn’t a healthy space then and then we worked together at I Quit Sugar and.

Jordanna Levin

Oh, yeah.

Kate Callaghan

Go on our own ways and done our own thing and you have been doing some incredible things my friend and I’m so excited to get into that a little bit more. And so, I think we will actually just dive straight in with a super important question that is, what would your last meal on earth be?

Jordanna Levin 2:31  

You know? I wish I had an answer. I really don’t. I’ve been struggling with this one. Um, I think it would have something to do with like a slow-cooked meat to have some descriptions and maybe like some slow-cooked lamb, and yeah, maybe like a roast dinner. Is that a really boring, boring, answer?

Natalie K. Douglas 2:53  

I love it. I would, I would totally come and eat that with you. As long as we had a side of like crispy sweet potato wedges because they’re like, my favorite thing ever.

Jordanna Levin 3:03  

Yeah, I mean, they’re really good. I mean, there’s so many things I would say, oh, yeah, definitely my last meal. I’m hoping for like some sort of buffet smorgasbord to be honest with you. 

Natalie K. Douglas 

Yes, totally. Like some kind of 10-course meal.

Jordanna Levin

Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas 

If you’re gonna go out, you might as well go out with a bang, right?

Jordanna Levin 3:21  

That’s right. Got nice and full and satisfied. 

Natalie K. Douglas 3:26  

That’s it. I love it. Awesome. Alright, well, we’ll move on to the next question. I really, I guess, where I wanted to start with all of these is I wanted to really get your what your approach is to spiritual growth or personal development because I feel like there’s, you know, it’s such a huge space now. And I feel like could just be a little bubble where I live in but I feel like it’s becoming more and more a quote-unquote thing. And I feel like there’s different ways that people approach it and I personally really love the way you approach it, but I’d like you to share it with our audience in terms of yeah, just your approach to it all?

Jordanna Levin 4:04  

Yeah, look, I think it’s so wonderful that the spiritual world and the personal development world is becoming more mainstream. I do think that we live in a little bit of a bubble where we think that it’s more relevant to people than it actually is. But I think potentially it does have the opportunity to reach a wider audience. And the approach that I take is by making those concepts as relatable, digestible, and practical as possible because at their essence, they really are. And in order for people to be able to embody them, actually do the work involved within the personal development. It needs to be something that they can apply to their own lives and really be able to relate to it. So, I make sure that whenever I’m talking about anything that’s deemed particularly whoo-whoo inverted commas that I really bring it back to personal story and make people see it on a level that they’re going to be able to understand so that they can apply it in their own lives.

Kate Callaghan 5:12  

I love that. I loved your book and it’s complete no BS approach. And I learned so much about you. I actually felt a bad friend. Like I did not know this.

Jordanna Levin 5:24  

Yeah, you know the line, you know the line. I think, yeah, there’s some things that just need to be saved up for your first book, I think.

Kate Callaghan 5:34  

But you’re right, bringing those stories in it makes it so much easier for people to understand. And I think people will really value that in your book. So thank you for putting yourself out there. I mean, there’s some pretty deep stories in there. It must have been challenging emotionally for you to write those.

Jordanna Levin 5:52  

It was. It was a lot of reliving old shit, but I just kept telling myself that it was for the greater good. The only way that people will going to be able to really understand it on a purely practical level with us to say that I was able to do it myself and I’ve been through my own shit.

Kate Callaghan 6:14  

Thank you. Now, can you tell us a little bit more? How can people bring more humanists into their pursuit of becoming their best self?

Jordanna Levin 6:23  

Yeah, I think that the problem is that people assume that the best version of themselves is quite an unattainable thing. And when they look at, let’s say, like social media, or you know, just people with profiles living their best life, inverted commas, that it’s something extraordinary that they’re doing. It’s something undiscovered that they’re doing. It’s not. Like everybody is the same human. Oprah is just as human as you and I. So, I really try and inject the humaneness into it by getting people to really feel into things. Like how does this make you feel? And how do you desire to feel? And what’s the bridge between that because that’s as human as you get. It’s like bringing it really down to not only like an emotional feeling level, but like a sensual feeling level in terms of using all of our five senses, you know?

Natalie K. Douglas 7:25  

Yeah, I love that. And I, because I feel like it’s like in, in this whole personal development world it can all get really like heavy and serious if you let it because the reality is like, they’ll always be things that, you know, you can be, you know, working on so to speak. And I think sometimes it’s easy to get caught up in that and easy to get caught up in the seriousness of it and start to kind of move away or had guilt around doing things that are just completely human. Like even as simple as like, watching reality TV show or like, not gonna lie, I just started watching The Bachelor and now a little bit in love with Matt.

Jordanna Levin 8:10  

Who isn’t in love with Matt? Let’s point that guy.

Natalie K. Douglas 8:14  

I know. I’ve never watched it before and then listening to you guys speak about on the middle and I was like then I really gotta like, because I just bloody love, love. And if I could just watch it all the time I would. I’m like, I’m gonna watch this. And I started, and I totally binge watch most of the episodes.

Jordanna Levin 8:34  

Yeah, and I think that’s. It’s like there’s this real sort of like stigma around being sort of like, you can’t be both things. You can’t be spiritual and enjoy reality television or you can’t be working on your personal development and enjoy margaritas like, it’s like. No, you actually can do all of those things. And there’s even if we’re all just doing you know, just a little bit better, we don’t have to be the best. But as long as we have self-awareness, and we’re bringing a little bit of like self-love and a little bit of self-care, and we’re working on our self worth, then it doesn’t matter if you get those things from watching The Bachelor, or from sitting down and reading, you know, The Power of Now, or whatever it is.

Natalie K. Douglas 9:22  

Yeah, yeah, totally. I completely resonate with that. And that’s kind of my approach. And the other thing I like to bring into it, or I guess I’m curious about your opinion on this is the idea of like, should you always be on in terms of should we always be, like going, you know, at a hundred miles an hour trying to pursue this personal development stuff or is it more is it a better way to do it like in cycles or how do you approach kind of working or doing the work?

Jordanna Levin 9:53  

Yeah, God, I think it’s exhausting to always be doing the work and I think it’s really important that people take integration time when doing the work. Like, if you are a serial personal development book writer, and you read one, shut it and start the other one. There’s no time to integrate and embody what you’ve learned and really put it into practice. And practice isn’t always putting it into action. Sometimes practice is doing nothing and just practicing a little bit of surrender and letting go and, you know, sort of practicing on attachment. So yeah, I’m in the cycles with everything that I do. I started with the lunar cycle just because it’s a really easy one. It’s a beautiful solid month, there’s this big orb in the sky that kind of directs you through the cycle. And even just looking at it from an energetic’s point of view, you know, you’ve got this real clear 14-day period where everything’s, the energy is supporting you to be a little bit more action-based like in a real Yang energy. And then the next 14 days as we sleep from like a full moon to a new moon, the energy is asking you to slow down and practice some passivity and really tap into a Yin energy, practice surrender, letting go, and like resting and restoring. And if you start to look at all the different cycles that happened within the universe, you can see that this happens throughout all of them. So you know, the rising in the setting of the sun, we’ve got the sun as it progresses throughout the day, it kind of reaches its peak at midday, at this beautiful like Yang action-based energy where we’re all running around and getting things done. And then the sun begins to set as the day goes on and we get to night time it’s time to rest. It’s time to go to bed. It’s time to sleep. That’s how we restore so that we can wake up in the morning and slip back into action as the sun begins to rise. Same thing happens with our menstrual cycles. Same thing happens with our breath, the inhale and the exhale, every cycle that you look at has the same balance of Yin and Yang energy. So, when we’re trying to create stuff in our life, whether it’s like a project, or whether it’s just, you know, the creation of a child or, you know, the creation of a book, whatever it might be, it’s allowing yourself the time to tap into what is going to be creation and Yang, and what’s going to be time to just stand back, rest, and let things happen.

Kate Callaghan 12:32  

I am totally guilty of being that personal development junkie. 

Jordanna Levin

Yeah, we all are.

Kate Callaghan 

All the things all the time. And as you said, I don’t allow for the integration unless I’m really focused on it. I noticed that it’s so much. I get so much more out of it. I was at the podcasts that I’m listening to, I’ve also have personal development books that I’m reading, if I do allow that little bit of rest and that integration time because otherwise it just becomes chaotic in my head. I have the most chaotic head.

Jordanna Levin 13:02  

Yeah, I think the other thing is that the integration is the actual work. And that’s the heartbeat. And so, it’s a lot easier to just avoid it and be like, yeah, yeah, I get it. I get the concept. I get the concept. So I’ve done it, but it’s like, no, yeah, you actually hasn’t done it. Now, you have to do the work. And that’s the bit that scares people because it pulls you out of your comfort zone.

Kate Callaghan 13:26  

It does. But that’s where the magic happens, isn’t it? 

Jordanna Levin 

Yeah. 

Kate Callaghan 

I love that you focus on the moon so much. You do so much work around the lunar cycle with your lunar nights. And I think it’s really fitting that we’re speaking to you today on a full moon. Is there anything in particular that people could or should be doing for themselves on the full moon to really maximize everything in their life?

Jordanna Levin 13:49  

Yeah, definitely. So the full moon is um, as we sleep into the Yin phase of the cycle, which I was talking about before, so it really is about slowing down. It’s kind of like, if you were looking at the moon cycle, like the seasons is as we sleep into our winter, so it’s time to hibernate. It’s really about releasing and letting go of the things that no longer serve you. So, when we work with the lunar cycle, when we’re at a new moon, which is the beginning of a cycle, that’s when we set our intentions and we manifest. It’s a time for creation. But in order to bring new stuff in, it’s really important that we’re getting rid of the stuff that we don’t need anymore in our lives. And by that, I mean, you know, habits, toxic energy, toxic people, limiting beliefs, anything that is perhaps a recurring pattern in your life that actually isn’t serving you in any way. So, the full moons are really good time to observe what those things might be, and really have the intention of letting them go, releasing them, not taking them into a new cycle.

Kate Callaghan 14:58  

Is there anything that you’re letting go with your cycle that you want to share, you don’t have to share.

Jordanna Levin 15:03  

Yeah, no, totally, I love sharing. I have had this real realization this year. And I’ve always kind of known about myself, but I’ve just kind of used it as a label. I am a control freak. And I don’t mean like, in terms of other people, I just mean in my own life, I try and control every little tiny thing that’s happening, and it’s so exhausting. So, I’ve kind of reached my max out point at the moment. So I’m really trying to just loosen the reins on myself a little bit and not be so hard on myself and allow myself to make more mistakes. And I think in doing that, I’ll probably end up making less.

Kate Callaghan 15:42  

Perfect. I need to do that more.

Jordanna Levin 

Yeah. Nighttime personality. You know?

Kate Callaghan

Yeah. I used to have personality. Were both crazy Geminis.

Jordanna Levin 

Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas 15:57  

Oh, you guys are so funny. I’m just trying to think about what I’m. Well, actually I have, I have like, such a long list of letting go’s this month. I guess, so I’ll share one of mine that the first one that comes up because I’m a Leo, so I just you know, it’s all about where you have to share. I can’t possibly nod. My letting go is, and this is quite probably quite a personal one. But I know my husband wouldn’t mind me sharing is in my relationship from I kind of have this thing where I oh, and actually not just in my relationship, just in everything. I have like one foot out the door and they always need to have like an exit strategy. And so, I’m trying to let go of that and whenever I’m doing anything, or whenever I’m committing to anything actually fully committing instead of just being like, oh, you know, just in case. So, that’s def and I feel like it’s probably going to take more than just one mood to let it go but that’s my one it’s um.

Jordanna Levin 16:59  

And it’s also, you know, it’s just about bringing awareness to it because I think a lot of the time we all go through life and we don’t even take the time to look at things like that and realize that that’s actually what we’re doing. So the fact that you know that has already made it a thing and you’re one step closer to releasing it because the intention is there.

Natalie K. Douglas 17:20  

Yeah, totally, totally. I think I’m, I’m someone who’s really good with awareness, but then I’m like, oh, wow, I’m so aware but then I kind of forget the next part, actually doing the work like, I love making the discovery, but then.

Jordanna Levin 17:36  

Yeah. This is the humaneness of it, though, like this is what I was talking about before. We’re all human. So, you know, knowing that it probably won’t happen overnight, you know, or even in 14 days as panting like to likes to sell it to us. It might take a little while and that’s okay because we’re human and it’s part of the journey. My favorite word. Not.

Natalie K. Douglas 18:02  

Oh, that’s so funny. I love it. Well, I really want to make sure we get to talk about Make it Happen, which is your amazing book that you just released. And it’s all about manifesting the life of your dreams in case you didn’t know because you know you wrote it.

Jordanna Levin

It is? Wow.

Natalie K. Douglas 

It’s so amazing. And I’m really, we’re really interested to know what like, manifesting is to you?

Jordanna Levin 18:28  

Oh, look, I think in its most simplest form manifestation is taking ownership of your own future and the life that you want and knowing that you are actually responsible for creating your life. And as soon as you can come to that realization and realize that that’s all that manifestation is, it’s not actually a super woo-woo concept. It’s a lot easier to come to terms with the fact that it’s actually possible for you and I think that’s what the book really is all about is by hang on a second. This isn’t like some miracle that I’m trying to sell to you. This is something that we’re already doing every second of the day, I just want you to be able to do it consciously.

Kate Callaghan 19:13  

That’s quite empowering. When you realize that you can do this, isn’t it? Yeah. Now, in your book, you talk about the manifesting equation.

Natalie K. Douglas 19:24  

Yeah.

Kate Callaghan 19:25  

So, for listeners who are still waiting for their copy of your book to arrive in the mail, because everyone’s ordered it. Can you give us a quick summary about what that equation is, please? 

Jordanna Levin 19:31  

Yeah. So, it’s called the Manifestation Equation. And I really, I actually wanted to call the book The Manifestation Equation, and the publisher was like, absolutely not. I was like, okay. 

Natalie K. Douglas

That’s a firm no. 

Jordanna Levin 

Well, I think because it’s very, like I liked that it kind of rhymed but they’re like it’s very dry and it’s very mathematical. And I was like, yeah, I guess it is. It’s not that, Make it Happen is a much better title. So, I’m glad we went with that but the whole book is basically based around this equation. The equation came to me while I was running my monthly event series Lunar Nights. I’ve run it for three years now. I’d started to form in the first few months. As I was teaching a lot of the spiritual laws around manifestation it kind of all started to fall into place. And the manifestation equation goes like this, thoughts plus feelings, plus actions, plus faith, equals successful manifestation. And it’s all four parts of that some in unison working together that makes manifestation possible. So, I think for a really long time, you know, manifestation has been sold to us in various forms. A lot of it was based on you know, thinking the good thoughts, then it was all about feeling the good feels and all of that is valid and true. But thoughts and feelings alone are not quite enough. I really think, not that we should put more weight on any part of the equation. But I really think that action pace is super important, and something that a lot of manifestation texts have left out. Because action essentially is the role that you play in your manifestation. And I think people that have struggled with manifestation in the past who have actually left the action pace out and are wondering why things aren’t manifesting for them. You know, I’m thinking all the right things and I feel like it’s really going to happen. Why has it not happened yet? That’s like, well, what, have you actually gotten up off your ass and diving about it? You know? They’re like, no, I haven’t actually done that. So that’s, that’s what I wanted this book to do was empower people to make it happen essentially. And then the last part of the equation is faith. And that’s a tricky one. It’s one of the hardest things to teach people, but paramount to everything. It’s having faith in yourself, trusting in yourself. And then the next level of that is having faith that there is a force greater than you that’s actually wanting to help you out, it’s actually on your side, and will help this thing manifest for you too. So, I think at the end of the day, what make it happen really encompasses is this idea that your ability to manifest and your level of self-worth are actually directly correlated. So the areas of your life where you don’t feel worthy or you don’t feel deserving of things, and I guess we’ve all got those little pockets in our life, you’re gonna find it really hard to manifest in that area. But in the areas of your life where you know, you’ve got a really high level of self-worth and you think you’re deserving of the things that you can create, you’re going to find it really easy to manifest in that area. So, I think when you start to break the equation of thoughts, feelings, actions, they all come back to self-worth.

Kate Callaghan 23:05  

Absolutely. I love, I love, love, love that you put so much emphasis on the action part of it as well. And, and as you speak about your book, I mean, I listened to a lot of Abraham Hicks and I love meditations and they’re fantastic and they really help with my mindset. But as you say, unless you take action with the other parts of the equation, you really kind of missing the mark.

Jordanna Levin 23:31  

Yeah, and the thing is like, mindset is so important and feelings are so important. They’re integral, they’re the fuel behind our thoughts. But mindset alone, if you’re not getting up and taking the action is kind of worthless, but you need to be in the right mindset in order to take the action. So, it’s all of it working together.

Natalie K. Douglas 23:53  

Yeah, that’s so interesting. And I was thinking like, as you were speaking about that, you know, I wonder If everyone struggles with different parts of the equation as in like, maybe there are some people who find action easy, but the, you know, the faith or the feelings are hard, like, do you think there’s any one part of the equation that everyone struggles with or do you feel like it just depends on your personality or level of self-worth, as you were saying? 

Jordanna Levin 24:22  

Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it’s hard to generalize. But I would have to say, in my experience, faith is probably the thing that people struggle with the most. It’s really hard when you really want something, when you want it so bad to believe that it’s going to happen if you’re not attaching yourself to it, if you’re not holding onto it for dear life. So part of the faith pace is to really release attachment, if it’s meant for you, if it’s in your highest interest, then it’s going to happen and having the faith that it will. That is super hard for people. 

Natalie K. Douglas 25:00  

Yeah, I am so that person. Like faith is, action, no worries. By the way but yeah, the faith is the hard part. And I think for me, it’s like comes back to already having evidence in my subconscious that it hasn’t worked before. And so why will at this time. So, I have to put so much effort into not attaching myself to the outcome and just continuing to yeah, have faith as you said, but that’s definitely the part I struggle with for sure.

Jordanna Levin 25:26  

It’s so hard. I’ve got something that I talk about in the book, which is this idea of this or something better and the faith pace is if it’s not this, then it’s not because I don’t deserve it. It’s because something better is on the way. And when you can slip into that and repeat that to yourself over and over and over again, this or something better, this or something better, it kind of takes the pressure off, and it’s not expecting the worst because that makes you feel better. It’s expecting the best and if the best doesn’t happen, it’s because something better is going to happen. That changed the faith game for me big time. Also what you said before about, you know, oh well it’s happened like this before so why would it be any different this time. It’s trying to treat every experience as a new experience because when we treat it as our old experience, we put it through the same filter and it becomes a limiting belief that we’ve actually created simply by not having the faith that it would work out differently.

Natalie K. Douglas 26:26  

Yeah, that’s so true. And I think, like, it’s such an important thing to remember. And I love that idea of like, you know, this or something better. Because if we sit with like, if we just have faith or nothing as the alternative, often our minds go to the worst-case scenario or staying the same, but I love that you’re actively putting in place you know, an alternative to like this or something better as opposed to just leaving the mind to you know, do what it always that I just go back to what it already knows. I really, really love that.

Jordanna Levin 27:00  

And I mean, if you look back on your life and you look at opportunities that were missed, a lot of the time it was for the better that they were. Like something better came along that probably will definitely wouldn’t have if the other opportunity had manifested itself. So it’s really looking back and reflecting and using that as an imprint of what you can expect going forward. 

Kate Callaghan 27:25  

Definitely, I’ve started doing that in my journals at night. So I wrote my gratitude or write down three things I’m grateful for, going to write down a bit of affirmation and something that I want to manifest into my life and then I write these the awesome something that are.

Jordanna Levin 27:37  

Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Because otherwise what we’ve, sorry, otherwise what we do is we set boundaries and parameters around what we think is possible for us. So sometimes when we’re trying to manifest something, we think that that’s the best thing we can create but what if there’s something even better that we haven’t even thought of with our tiny human brains, what kind of limiting ourselves by believing only that is possible for us?

Kate Callaghan 28:02  

Exactly. So, we spoke about the faith being the big, the one of the big things that people struggle with, what are some of the biggest mistakes you think people might be making when it comes to manifesting then? Not seeing that it’s working for them?

Jordanna Levin 28:18  

Yeah. I think, um, people don’t put enough faith again in the timing of their life. I think some people go, and I thought, you know what? I’ve come up against this a lot myself. So, I feel like I can talk about it is, you know, this idea of, you know, trying to manifest love. So, I’m 35. Yep, I definitely am I. That wasn’t true. No, it’s true. I’m 35. And I haven’t found the one yet. And I really like, I think I’m pretty cool chick and I’ve been doing all the right things and I’ve been trying to manifest things for a while. It really is timing and I honestly believe that it just hasn’t been the time for me yet. And I think having faith in that and really believing that is paramount to manifestation. And I think that the mistakes that we’re making is we get so caught up again in our own self-worth, and not making timing affect us. So, I think that’s one of the mistakes people are making. Another one is their limiting beliefs. Their limiting beliefs hook you into those stories. So, that’s kind of like what you were talking about before Natalie, it’s like it happened this way. So, why would it be any different? Our limiting beliefs are probably the biggest blockades when it comes to what we want to manifest in our life. So if you feel yourself coming up against a brick wall every single time, it’s time to do a bit of an assessment about why you think this isn’t happening for you and have a look at your beliefs the way that you feel about it. Your level of faith, the actions you take around what it is you’re trying to create.

Natalie K. Douglas 30:05  

Yeah, I love that. I definitely resonate with that as well because like for me, I think that, like that totally rings true. Like anytime where I’m like why is this not happening? It’s often because it’s this limited. It comes back to a limiting beliefs. That’s so, so interesting in such a good thing to know. Something else that I’m curious about quite selfishly is, like, for me when I was first learning about manifesting, I kind of got stuck in this place where whenever I would picture something horrific, or negative, I’d be like, holy shit, I’m going to manifest that and I would like drive myself crazy. Like as an example, my husband went on a trip to on a surf trip to Indonesia. This, I think was earlier this year. And I was like convinced the whole time he was gonna die. It sounds absolutely nuts because he was completely safe. And he’s like Mr. cautious in a lot of ways. But then I like I got so in my head about, oh my God, if I’m just thinking this, then something’s going to happen and then it’s going to be my fault. Like what do you have to say for people like me who get freaked out when there are negative thoughts around?

Jordanna Levin 31:19  

Yeah, well, I think that we need to not play so much weight on our thoughts because the fact is that I think the statistic is something like, we have 50,000 to 80,000 thoughts a day and 85% of those thoughts are untrue thoughts. They’re just not true. They’re, they’re bold lies. And like a good chunk of those are untruths about ourselves and our loved ones. And then of those lies, like 90% of them are just repeats of the thoughts that we’ve had the day before and the day before and the day before that. So there’s like maybe like, I’m not very good at maths, but let’s say.

Natalie K. Douglas 

Me neither. We’re in the company.

Jordanna Levin 

3% of thoughts are hold to any weight whatsoever. So, I just think we can’t place too much emphasis on them. What thoughts do is build a really beautiful foundation for us to exercise the rest of the manifestation equation, which is the feelings, the actions, and the faith. Now I know what you’re saying. And it’s anxiety, its future projection, right? Like we have a fear or anxiety about something that could happen. And we work ourselves into such a state over it. That yeah, it could manifest. But I think what it is, is it’s catching the thoughts as they happen, labeling them for what they are, which is a future projection and anxiety knowing that it’s a fear that you have, but you’re not going to put any weight on it and really consciously trying to let it go. I think that if we walked around worrying that everything we thought was going to manifest we’d live in a really scary world because let’s be honest, like I can be super judgy in my head. Gemini in me. Super judgy in other people, super judgy of myself, and um, I would just live in a state of constant fear if those thoughts started to become my reality.

Kate Callaghan 33:14  

I definitely had a period of when I first started going into working with manifestation and working with Abraham Hicks, law of attraction of not freaking out if I had negative thoughts. Just going oh my God, I can only think positive thoughts, positive thoughts, positive thoughts.

Jordanna Levin 

It’s exhausting.

Kate Callaghan

I can laugh about it now. But I took it very seriously at that time. So, what about manifesting for other people? Is that possible?

Jordanna Levin 33:42  

No. It is absolutely not. It’s a huge rule of mind. We cannot manifest for other people. And we can’t manifest to change other people. And I say this from experience. I’ve tried both and it doesn’t work. And the reason is that everyone has their own freewill and it’s really not our place to be messing with someone else’s energetics. What we can do is a lot of people ask me when I get really kind of blunt about it and say, no, you absolutely can’t. And someone will say something like, oh, but I’ve got, you know, I’ve got a sick parent or, you know, I want my child to do better, whatever it is. And I always say to them, look, what we can do is we can set a vibrational standard around people. So if we have, you know, a sick family member or someone who’s not doing so well, we can set a standard for their healing process. So having faith that you know that they will find something that’s in their best interest that’s going to make them feel better, having feelings of safety and stability and security around them. Being in a positive mindset when you’re in their company. But trying to manifest their cure or trying to manifest you know, their ability to fully heal is not something that we have the power to do or that we should be taking on board from an energetic’s perspective.

Natalie K. Douglas 35:06  

Yeah, that sounds like really exhausting if you were to try and do that and you wouldn’t, like how would you actually make that happen when there’s so many parts of that equation that are essentially outside of you? So I love that. I love that. 

Jordanna Levin 

Absolutely.

Natalie K. Douglas 

You know, there is something that you can do but yeah, don’t try and do the manifesting for other people. I love that. So, what’s the biggest lesson you feel like you’ve learned personally in the process of uncovering this, you know, art of manifesting or the manifesting equation. Like what do you feel like has been one of your biggest like aha moments or takeaways?

Jordanna Levin 35:42  

Yeah, look, the self-worth pace is a massive aha. And if we would have break it down even further I would say this, for so long manifestation has been taught in the way that if you want to create something, let’s use the example of a lover. If you wanted to create a lover, it’s like, okay, work out what kind of a man you want. And then vibrate on the frequency of that man by working out, you know what traits he wants, sorry, what traits you want in him, what the relationship will look like and really try and vibrate on that. What I’m saying to people is what if you just focused on your own vibrations, and trying to be the best, most authentic version of you by working on your self-worth, figuring out what strengthens your vibration, figuring out what makes you feel in alignment, figuring out what lights you up, and then just vibrate on that frequency. And everything that is meant for you. Everything that’s matching your strong vibration will be attracted to you. So you don’t have to go over there. Everything will come to you. And I think that’s the biggest aha I had. It was like don’t focus on all of the external stuff. Focus on yourself and the things that are meant for you, that are working in the same vibration as you that are in full alignment with you will come into your orbit.

Kate Callaghan 37:10  

And with, in regards to that self-worth, do you have any tips for our listeners on some simple things that they can incorporate in their life or some simple action steps that they can take to improve their self-worth?

Jordanna Levin 37:21  

Yeah, I’ve got a, there’s a whole heap in the book like lots, but I think one of the best things that you can do is write a high vibes and a low vibes list. So, it’s kind of like a pros and cons. But I want you to have a think about when you feel you’re most comfortable, authentic, radiant self. So you know, like when you’re around, your really good friends or it could be family or whoever it is, and you feel really relaxed, you feel like you can just be you. When I’m in that state I feel like I’m a lot smarter and I’m a lot funnier. And I just feel really comfortable and inflow and in alignment. So, if you can think of a time in your life like that, I want you to think about all of the things that add to that, that make you, that can pull you into that state. So whether it’s certain people, certain activities, perhaps when it’s when you’re out in nature, perhaps when it’s when you’re on your own, reading a book, whatever it is, I want you to work out what always makes you feel like that, what strengthens that feeling for you. And then I want you to have a look at the low vibrations, I want you to have a look at the things that weaken that. The people that we can that vibration, the environments, the tasks, the you know, maybe it’s certain things that you have to do at work or whatever it is that’s bringing you out of that alignment, and start to have a think about how you can start to swap some things over in that category. So, you want to be adding more to the strengthening column and you want to be taking stuff out of the low vibes column.

Natalie K. Douglas 39:06  

I love that. I’m so gonna do that. And I like that you call it high vibes and low vibes. So, much sexier than pros and cons.

Jordanna Levin 

Pros and cons?

Natalie K. Douglas

I always used to be a pro and con lister as well. Evaluating any decisions, even when it came to like, when I wanted to stay in a relationship with someone or not I used to get out my pros and cons list when shit was getting real and I was like, all right, well, I’m just gonna have to write this out so I can make a proper decision. 

Jordanna Levin 

Yeah, I mean, they don’t think you’re alone. And I think it was a bit of a trend in the 90s but we’ve kind of moved on. So yeah, high vibes. High vibes and low vibes is the new pros and cons.

Natalie K. Douglas 39:44  

Oh, I love it. I’m like, I’m going to do that. It’s exciting. And I think like, even just writing it you kind of get, well I could imagine like you’ll get more clarity around. Even just like your hierarchy of values because you’ll be able to start seeing like, okay, many of these things are similar, and how can I start living more true to my values based on hey, what’s making me feel good and what’s not making me feel good? Because I think like, at least for me, the more I understand myself, the easier it is for me to, like, shut out all the noise of other people’s, you know, like, how they want to live their life and start tuning into exactly what is true for me. And the more I live in that space, the better version of myself I feel like I am and I’m just such a more pleasant, funny human to be around.

Jordanna Levin 40:41  

Yes, yeah. And having awareness of when you are a pleasant, funny human, you know, and I think this is all about self-awareness. So, many people walking around with no awareness of who they are and what makes them feel good. So, really just kind of shining a light on yourself, and really kind of digging around and getting curious. 

Natalie K. Douglas 41:03  

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Okay, so I know that everyone listening is going to be like, please give me more. So, where can people get more from you? Like what do you have on offer? So we know that you’ve got, you just released your book, Make it Happen, but tell us more about how else people can listen to you, work with you, all of that.

Jordanna Levin 41:24  

Yeah. Okay, so get a pen and paper. No, no. So, Make it Happen is in bookstores, in New Zealand, Australia, and the UK. If you’re anywhere else, you can order it online from Booktopia, and Book Depository, and Amazon, and all those places. And I have two podcast shows. I have one podcast show called, The Middle, that I host with my friend Hollie Azzopardi. We talk about everything from Super Spiritual stuff to The Bachelor, recapping that. And also, we really meet you in The Middle. I also have a podcast called, Lunar Lover: The Podcast. It’s an interesting podcast. I talk about the moon. So, I do a new moon synopsis and a full moon synopsis every fortnight. And in between I interview people, I have conversations about the energy that are a thing with that current moon. So, for example, last conversation was around the Leo and New Moon. So we talked about courage and vulnerability and confidence. So the conversation is always kind of themed around the moon. And part of that Lunar Lover experience is a membership that I wrote. So if people are interested in like tuning into the lunar cycle a little bit more, and using the energy of the moon to your advantage, knowing the certain times of the month that it’s better to be more productive and what times of the month it’s better to slow down a little bit. The membership really kind of helps with that. There’s new guided meditations every month. There’s new information. There’s journal prompts in there. We hold online moon circles, we kind of gather and do some like moon rituals online. So, that’s really fun and it’s really cheap. It’s like $22 a month. And it’s just a really beautiful way to tap into the rhythms and energy off the moon.

Natalie K. Douglas 43:22  

I love it. And we’ll make sure we put all of the links to all of those amazing things in the show notes and people can follow you on Instagram and yes, I listened to that Leo Podcast you did with Hollie. And amazing. 

Jordanna Levin

Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas 

 But also just be extra excited because I’m like, oh, it’s me.

Jordanna Levin 43:42  

I know. The Leo is laughter. The Leo is laughter but it is interesting because when we do have, you know, when we’re going oh it’s an Aquarius, full moon, which is what we have now, really being able to, you’ve got, you’ve got all of this energy circulating and really being able to tap into that energy and again, know how to embody it and apply it is really important. So the conversations that happen after The Moon on the podcast it’s just a really good way for people to be able to relate that energy to their own life. So yeah, it’s fun. I love it.

Natalie K. Douglas 44:12  

Yes, I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on and having a chat. We’ll hopefully get you back soon because I have like, a billion other questions to be honest but I just yeah, I can’t recommend your book more highly. It’s just, it’s, I’m actually reading it for the second time, because I’m just someone who reads a bit too fast and I’m like, oh I should probably go back and actually let more stuff land. So that and both your podcast are great. So, yeah, we’ll pop all the links in the show notes and we will speak to you soon.

Outro 44:42  

Thanks for tuning in to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. Remember, we love to make the show relevant to you. If you have any questions or topics you’d like us to discuss, just submit them to [email protected] and we’ll get them answered for you. Also, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast on iTunes and share it with your friend. And if you’re looking for more info about how we can accelerate your journey to your optimal health, you can find me, Nat, over at NatalieKDouglas.com and Kate at TheHolisticNutritionist.com. See you next time!