In Episode 6 of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, Natalie Douglas and Kate Callaghan discuss a safe, natural approach to Liver Detoxification.

• What is liver detoxification including an explanation of the three phases
• What impairs liver detoxification in our diet, lifestyle and environment
• How to enhance liver detoxification
• Nutrients you need to support proper detoxification
• Our thoughts on green juices and green smoothies

• Alex Stuart’s amazing course ‘Go Low Tox’ (to learn how to decrease the toxic load on your body)
• The Environmental Working Group
• Kate’s recipe for making sardines part of your diet
• Kate’s awesome book that everyone should own

Natalie K. Douglas  0:02  

Hello and welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. My name is Natalie Bourke, holistic dietitian and nutritionist from healthbywholefoods.com.au.  And with me ,as always I have my co-host, Kate Callaghan from theholisticnutritionist.com. Kate take two what’s happening?

Kate Callaghan  0:22  

Same same. I’m still drinking my kombucha. This is our second start. You know, I didn’t I didn’t mention last time but I wanted to mention I just had for lunch you know I’m not but I figured out a way to make them tasty.

Natalie K. Douglas  0:36  

How?

Kate Callaghan  0:38  

You mix them with a little garlic.

Natalie K. Douglas  0:42  

Know the light for right now. Yeah.

Kate Callaghan  0:44  

yeah, I’m actually watching. Speak with people just my daughter Really?

No, I do I have social interaction. That makes me sound really lame. I do have social interaction.

But no, so I put it I’ve actually put a recipe on my blog. It says how I made sardines tastes good, because I guess so good for you. But they honestly the taste is just

Natalie K. Douglas  1:08  

it’s not there an acquired taste.

Kate Callaghan  1:10  

Yeah. But I’ve been putting them on sweet potato toast.

Natalie K. Douglas  1:14  

Sweet potatoes. Oh, no, I haven’t I tried it. And it didn’t work that I did it the way it like, there was two ways like some people will like fake it before you toast it. Other people were like, No, just checking in the toaster. And I think I tried the chocolate in the toaster without doing anything beforehand, and it didn’t work out for me. Maybe I’m doing them. And yours work, I do have a really bad choice. And I’m pretty impatient. So I

opted back down to get

Kate Callaghan  1:43  

up but a few times a bit. It’s got to be the right thickness. If it’s too soon, then you burn it. But if it’s too thick thing, it’s going to mean some real sweet potato. So it’s kind of like half a centimeter. It’s perfect.

Natalie K. Douglas  1:56  

I’m going to get the ruler out and do that at lunchtime today I think really good

Kate Callaghan  1:59  

topped with sardines and garlic oil and cheese. Yeah,

Natalie K. Douglas  2:07  

I can do that. Alright, so back to our podcast today. So everyone, we just really like talking about food. So today, we’re actually going to be talking about liver detoxification. So we’re going to walk you through what exactly it is and what impairs it and also what supports it. So I will give you a bit of a basic, a basic understanding about the processes because I think there’s a lot of misinformation out there about what exactly believers job easy when it comes to detoxification and a really, I guess, misunderstanding about how actually efficient it is without doing any of this. Drinking lemons, lemon juice for three days or just drinking through a straw. You know, all these crazy things that we try. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with lemon juices, and there’s nothing wrong with straws.

That’s not the way to do a proper liver detox.

Kate Callaghan  3:08  

There is straws there is they’re not very environmentally friendly.

Natalie K. Douglas  3:13  

That’s true. I was I was picturing my ninth medals. My mother knows that stainless steel straw, but most people obviously don’t fancy don’t have those. It’s Katya. It’s kind of really nice, but I don’t really drink out of the scroll because I prefer to eat my food. And if I have a smoothie, then I would actually eat that too. So anyway, I’ll just I’ll just be quiet now about the stroll situation. Just a few everybody. Sorry, before I get started, I will actually read out a disclaimer because I know I forgot to until the end last time. So the advice given this podcast is not intended to provide medical advice or to take the place as medical advice with treatment from your primary healthcare physician. The facts and information offered are based on a combination of scientific evidence, clinical practice, experience and personal experience. Okay, so now that that is out of the way, let’s jump right into what liver detoxification is. So they talk supplication. And there’s a bit of overlapping what’s required in each of them. But that’s really not important for you will just, I just want to give you an understanding of what happened. So the first phase of liver detoxification is phase one, obviously, and it actually involves the families and done known as p for 50. And done, sorry, these enzymes are responsible for turning toxins that enter your system through various ways or food, a what you’re putting on your skin, endogenous, so you’re already hormone production. And I guess other things that you come into contact with as well. So that’s what comes in. And then it’s also like what happened, doors, doors, I guess, metabolize those, those products, or those chemicals are turned into intermediate metabolites. So they intimated metabolites actually more toxic than the original toxins themselves, which is why it’s really important that the whole system is working really well, which we’ll get to in a second. So then we have phase two detoxification, which is where these metabolites turned into molecules that are water soluble, to allow them to be excreted safely through both bile and urine. Sorry, the main person says that make sure this happens include Greek connotation, salvation, desolation, glass donation, glue to Fire Nation and amino acid conjugation. So you don’t need to remember the names of all those, you just need an appreciation for the fact that your body is amazing and does a lot of these processes every day without you thinking about it. So they are tongue twisters. And I’m really glad actually got all those out in one go. But anyway, moving on. So all these processes require nutrients, which will also go into later on when we’re talking about that process. But finally, we want to move on to size three detoxification. So this one’s really quite interesting and a bit complex to explain. So I’m just going to keep it simple. So it’s also known as the anti portal system, or the anti portal activity, rather, it’s actually very heavily concentrated in small intestine, which is partly why I’ve got healthy so important to detoxification, basically, these anti water proteins act as pumps. So in phase three, they pump hydro silica metabolites that we’re creating inside to acids, the hepatocytes, sorry, the liver cells, and after after delivery, conjugated them. So that’s kind of the basic three stages. And something that I want to mention just while it’s on my mind, in regards to gut health, big and important, bacteria actually play a significant role in all of these processes. So there’s a positive impact from beneficial bacteria, but also a negative impact from dis biotic old pathogenic bacteria. So this viruses, or an imbalance of good and bad bacteria in the gut can actually increase the research relation of toxins, which is definitely not what you want. So we will be talking a bit about gut health and what nutrients you can use to support that. But I guess what will be more helpful for everyone is if we give you some ideas about Where exactly are we are we getting I guess compromised liver detoxification. So what’s coming through our environment in various tools that in into our bodies that is impacting the scene and negative for I so Kate, could you give us a few ideas about what that might be? No.

Kate Callaghan  8:13  

Yes, Yes, I can.

Sorry.

Okay, let’s be professional, I can do this. I’m going to do this with that. Singing and blabbing that Tony? Yeah,

Natalie K. Douglas  8:28  

yeah, that sounds right.

Kate Callaghan  8:30  

Um, so basically, if we want to look at what impacts our ability to detoxify, that can be things like the food that we eat, our lifestyle and our environment, and medications and genetics. So there’s something that we talked about before in our last podcast, one of these podcasts when we were recording before it was methylation and the mth of our genetic defect and that has a MHF Arjun, mescaline to try folate, reductive enzyme, say that five times. Really important for methylation pathway, and detoxification, overall, but there is a genetic defect called

or a snip, it’s what they call it is the mth of defect. And I have

I’m homozygous for the 670. And so that basically means my ability to methyl eight is down regulated. So I need to be a bit more aware of what I put into my body, what I put on my body, what I’m surrounded by and how I support my body’s natural detoxification systems. And I think now you said you’re homozygous as well.

Natalie K. Douglas  9:43  

Yeah, I am. Yeah. That is that same one as well.

MZZ. I’m,

okay. I’m the coolest in the world. But yeah, it’s actually

Kate Callaghan  9:54  

quite common. Well, at least one, having one copy of the gene is quite common. And having good six 770s is less comments not not great. And but I will say, we’re not going to go too much into mth of our right now, because it’s really, really complicated. But if you do find that you do have a tougher and work with an integrative practitioner who knows a lot about it, because it can get into some trouble if you just go, Oh, well, you need this because you have the genetically Yeah, when really, definitely, just because you have a genetic defect doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s expressing

Natalie K. Douglas  10:31  

Express. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kate Callaghan  10:34  

So I found out I had the defect. And it kind of made sense with what was going on with me at the time. So it was like, Okay, I suspect that mine is being expressed. And I had really high folate levels, which was showing that I wasn’t utilizing that folate properly in that methylation pathway. Anyway, that’s a topic for another

Natalie K. Douglas  10:52  

podcast, I won’t go into methylation.

Kate Callaghan  10:57  

I got distracted. So I think if we think about our overall toxic load, that’s really important. So it’s not just and not just how we support our body in detoxification, but more what is affecting our detoxification in terms of our environment and our food. So I was reading something before that there’s been over 4 million chemical compounds identified in our environment, which is a shy load. So that is a lot and we’re obviously not going to be able to avoid all of these chemicals all the time. And, but we can avoid some to the best of our ability and then we can look at supporting our body’s ability to deal with the others, which we’ll talk about a little bit later. So those ones that we’re being exposed to are things like insecticides, herbicides, fungicides, all those on our food on well on conventional produce. And then we’ve got alcohol, drugs, hormones that are coming in from medications such as the oral contraceptive pill or through enter by sorry, hormone fed meat, and food additives, dyes coloring agents, preservatives, sweeteners, flavor enhancers, like MSG, solvents, metals, lead, mercury, cadmium, arsenic, nickel, LB minium, mold, allergy, Poland, foods, foods like vegetable oils, sugar, some grains, ionizing radiation, toxins in building materials, which is I’m looking into more because we’re about to build a house. And it’s just kind of scary how much you’re exposed to. So things like vinyl chloride told you and formaldehyde, fun. And then most skincare products, to everything that were slathering on our bodies and moisturizers, cleansers, shampoos, toothpastes as well. So fluoride containing toothpaste, and I’m not trying to wear a tinfoil hat here, but

I’m not keen on fluoride.

Natalie K. Douglas  12:56  

Not meaning

Kate Callaghan  12:58  

it can interrupt thyroid hormone production. And it impacts detoxification as well. It’s um, yeah, I mean, that could be another podcast in itself as well. Yeah, I

Natalie K. Douglas  13:12  

could say. But I think it’s also important to point out that, you know, for a good handful of these things that are natural Chinese to ask these these you can do, and it’s also important to realize that not to get too freaked you out. So you can only control what you can control and, and do actively try and control that. So buying things like natural, you know, natural alternatives with your hair and personal care products, but not kind of freaking out about every single little thing, because at the end of the day, they are some things that you just can’t control. And the way that you get around that, in my opinion, is by learning how to support your body’s natural detoxification pathways, which we will get into.

Absolutely. Would you agree, Kate?

Kate Callaghan  13:58  

Absolutely. And I didn’t mention that house cleaning products as well can be a big source of toxins. And that’s something that I’ve recently switched over to Well, I’ve recently started cleaning my house.

Now that I’m now

anyway, and laundry, laundry products,

things like that, and there are some really good brands out there now. And so just being informed and not just going for something that says natural or organic, and being mindful of the things in those products, because there will be a lot of labeling issues and marketing issues that brands will use to get around things. So you do need to be bit savvy about this. And again, this could take up multiple podcast to go through all of that. So I think instead, a good place to look at and will provide a link in the in the podcast notes is Alex Stewart’s website and her equal so low talks life.com is her e course. And so she has one called n equals called go low talks. And it’s all about kind of transforming the products that you use and eliminating

most toxins from your life. And so that’s an

important detoxification and then also the Environmental Working Group. ewg.org has some awesome lists, including a cosmetics where they’ve done analysis on those and foods guide to healthy cleaning guys to sunscreens, water guys to see food because seafood, especially large fish can be a source of mercury, where small fish like

sardines are quite good.

Natalie K. Douglas  15:51  

actually has a very delicious recipe on my blog.

Kate Callaghan  15:54  

Yes, yes.

Yes, I wouldn’t go so far as saying very delicious.

Natalie K. Douglas  16:01  

Look, it’s all about just believing it’s going to be delicious. And then

Kate Callaghan  16:05  

I’d say I was good. It was good. It was a way for me to get settings in which is important to me.

Natalie K. Douglas  16:12  

But let’s see in this early early cleaning your house, right?

Kate Callaghan  16:17  

I can’t but like In comparison,

I’m just brushing over that ignoring you’re digging me there.

But I mean, if we’re looking at Kimberly Davis settings on sweet potatoes, probably going to choose the krim delay.

Natalie K. Douglas  16:30  

From a title crazy

Kate Callaghan  16:32  

from a tax perspective. Anyway, let’s get back on track. Wow. Yes.

Natalie K. Douglas  16:36  

Yeah, do this far too often. Yes.

We’ll go.

We’ll go in there.

Kate Callaghan  16:46  

You go. You go.

Natalie K. Douglas  16:47  

Okay. Those links will be on the in the show notes. So you don’t have to remember them. And Kate, what were you gonna say?

Kate Callaghan  16:56  

our podcast is so well scripted.

Natalie K. Douglas  17:00  

I can’t remember a great, I can’t remember, I think you’re going to say being informed

being in full

Kate Callaghan  17:06  

knowledge is power. So yeah, get informed. Find out what these endocrine disruptors as they are these toxins that are in your environment, and reduce your exposure to the best of your ability, because there are a lot of things that you can do to reduce your exposure. And if we’re talking about what food is probably the most controllable, and conventionally produced food that’s covered in all these chemicals, insecticides, herbicides, fungicides, and hormones and antibiotics and means you can choose not to eat those. And using something like the Dirty Dozen clean 15 list on the Environmental Working Group, I have a copy of it in my book holistic nutrition as well. And that’s really handy. And if that’s really not in your budget, to choose organic, then at the very least you can do fruit and vegetable washes produce washes, which basically like apple cider vinegar or lemon and water. It’s really, really easy. You just let your veggies sit in this wash and

the chemicals melt away. Well, they don’t really.

But it does reduce your exposure help. It helps, it helps but do know that the seeds themselves can be sprayed with with these chemicals as well. So yeah, it helps. But anyway, okay, should we talk about foods?

Natalie K. Douglas  18:30  

I think we should, I think we should give people a bit of an idea of what things they can eat what nutrients they require to support liver detoxification. So there is different nutrients that will support different phases of the liver detoxification, and, but in general, there is quite a lot of overlap. So I think it’s important. So a few important ones that I’ll mention. And Kate, you can add some to it to the list. Dry stops are the vitamins, I think that they’re really essential for liver detoxification, because they’re involved in a lot of those, all of those processes. So B vitamins, including B to B through basically all the vitamins, let’s not get too, into the nitty gritty, but all of the vitamins are a really good source of B vitamins is just animal protein. If you’re, you know, vegetarian, then you can use nutritional yeast flakes, though, like they’re quite rich in B vitamins. But of course, animal protein is going to be more concentrated with these types of vitamins. In particular, I think that will give me black liver a really good start, that also covers off another nutrient that’s really important, which is vitamin A. So again, getting that from livers a good idea, but of course you can get it from from other places like egg yolks, and any orange vegetables, which isn’t actually the active form of vitamin A, but there is some conversion that happens there. Other big things that are important are protein. So I think this one will, this is something that I really feel passionate about making sure people understand because enzymes are proteins, and it is the enzymes that are responsible for the detoxification process. So in that regard, I’m not a huge fan of juice fast for the purpose of detoxification. I don’t believe it makes sense biochemically in the body in terms of what happened. And what’s needed in these three phases is liver detoxification. So I do I get the attraction, I do it, you know, it feels refreshing to drink a green juice, and we associated with cleansing and all that kind of stuff. And there’s definitely benefit to the nutrients that are in there. However, it’s not the whole story. So you know, you need, as I said, adequate vitamin, zinc and magnesium. And the other thing that I wanted to mention those cruciferous vegetables, so things like broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, they really rich in something called calcium, Dave Luke, right, which is really important in helping get rid of those toxins as well. So there are quite a number of other ones. Kate, did you want to mention a few as well? Sure. But I kind of I did mention quite a few there. Sorry.

Kate Callaghan  21:38  

That’s right. And just a word on the juice fasting. And Yep. So any sort of fasting any sort of not eating food and drinking liquids, not actually providing your body with nutrients, that is actually going to increase phase one detoxification. So it’s going to encourage the release of toxins from where they’re being stored in your fatty fatty tissue into your bloodstream. And you’d be like, Yay, I’m increasing detoxification. You are, but remember what net said about these intermediates between phase one and phase two, those ones that are produced in phase one are actually more toxic than the original toxin. So you don’t want to increase these phase one. They increase the release of these toxins through your fasting without simultaneously providing the nutrients required for phase two detoxification, which is those proteins that net was talking about? Does that make sense?

Natalie K. Douglas  22:39  

Yeah. Yeah, it did. And I think also pointing out that you don’t want to attempt enhancing liver detoxification before you got good gut health and good elimination, because it comes back to the same thing with toxins recirculating, if you’re not eliminating them properly, then they will get recirculated. Sir, I guess that’s where I got health comes into play and consuming foods that are nourishing to gut, so not just fermented foods, so that’s obviously part of it. So it can be Cha, kimchi, to see a sauerkraut, good quality yogurt, that you tolerate those kind of things, but also things that are going to support that gut lining. So bone broth is good, l glutamine, if you’re going to supplement with that, that’s another thing that can be helpful. And also making sure that there’s enough fiber in your diet. So fiber from fruits and vegetables is my first choice just because they’re the most nutrient dense. However, you know, properly prepared grains are another good source of fiber, as well as properly prepared like us. So that’s something to consider as well. So don’t don’t attempt to go gung ho on liver detoxification if you’re constipated is basically what I’m trying to say.

Kate Callaghan  24:04  

Perfect. And a couple of other nutrients that I had written down at gluten is really important for detoxification and it’s body’s number one antioxidant. So when you’re increasing these toxic compounds, toxic compounds through phase one detoxification, it’s really important to have high level of antioxidants to prevent any oxidative stress on the body. And the best source of producing Bluetooth iron is a good quality whey protein. Oral glue defined in supplements unless it’s a lipo, black good of iron or sort of an NSC or 16 is not really that good at increasing gluten levels. And so good quality whey protein if you tolerate that, otherwise increasing sulfur rich foods such as garlic onions and cruciferous veggies and then also looking at increasing other antioxidants and through food through so low the load of colorful veggies lots of vitamin C rich foods and lemons limes kiwi fruit and carotene sweet potato carrots pumpkin, vitamin A through egg yolks liver nuts and seeds leafy green Selenium through Brazil nuts I just spray Brazil nuts per day. And co q 10 is really important. Silly Myron, which I’ve spelt wrong Hey Sylmar Silla, which is also known as milk thistle, and is really good for helping liver detoxification as well. And but work with a health practitioner on that one. And then of course, water. What is important? Yeah, good quality water, though. So not just any water. Yeah. Don’t go and drink cold water. Which is really what? I think I’m joking, but our tap water actually tastes like pool water. Because it’s so no chlorinated. It’s disgusting.

Natalie K. Douglas  25:47  

It’s really disgusting. And I don’t think I’m drinking tap water in like, she needs I do not like obviously when I I’m not crazy about it. If someone if I’m really thirsty, and the only thing I want to find out water at a friend’s house, I’m not going to be like, no, sorry, I can’t. But at home, I’ve had a water filter for quite some time now. And it’s, it’s great. I love it. Yeah, it does taste different.

Kate Callaghan  26:12  

It does it taste sunshine. So if you can get a water filter, I mean with, we have so much water every day, and not just in your drinking water. But if you can get a shower head for your shower, filter the chlorine and other chemicals out of him, then then do that. I think Amazon have quite affordable ones these days. There’s so much that we have access to there’s really no excuse for reducing your toxic load.

Natalie K. Douglas  26:39  

Yeah, and just like don’t overwhelm yourself, start with one monster that move on to the next one. And over time, it will, you know, it will add up and you’ll end up living a very low toxic life. And your blessing. Yeah.

That sounded good enough when I get that for all.

Kate Callaghan  27:01  

Sorry. We love

Natalie K. Douglas  27:03  

you. We’re sorry, Alec, low talks live, we choose where you can learn a lot about it in a call. And answers. I may not on a serious and I think that that’s a really good course to do. Because you’ve got a lot of information, all of the work being done for you. She’s got all of that information right there for you. And I think that that that’s something that everyone should have a look into for sure. The other thing I was going to say was, I did want to bring up the whole green smoothie situation, because I think that’s something that, again, is just needs to be addressed. So Kate, in terms of grains, ladies, what’s your recommendation or thoughts around it in the context of detoxification?

Kate Callaghan  27:53  

I think that can help. But it depends what you putting in it. Really? I mean, yeah, I agree in I prefer Whole Foods. But smoothies can actually be a really easy way to get a lot in. So it saves you having a green smoothie, you had avocado, you had spinach, you had some lemon in there bit of banana, cucumber, you had some whey protein, and that’s all going to help your detoxification in a big way. And but I would encourage you to chew it as nuts and as well. So to use movie. Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas  28:28  

Rather than just make it. I usually Yeah, I usually phrase my bikini and I actually someone else told me about this and I tried it and it makes it like a smoothie a bit thicker, and also adding ice as well, health and obviously the avocado. So yeah, I completely agree, I think they’re great when they’re done properly, they are a great way to get more veggies in. But you definitely shouldn’t be replacing, like, you know, you shouldn’t have to be having more than one a day and then shouldn’t really, I guess displace a whole bunch of other foods that you could be eating. So constructing it right and not putting not just filling it with bananas and dates and coconut water and those kind of things because that’s just going to give you a big should be here really using it as a way to get some more, some more vegetables in I think you’re perfectly fine. And also a lot of people really enjoy them. And I think part of you know participating and part of life is actually enjoying enjoying your food. So if there’s something that you absolutely love, and you look forward to then learn how to construct them right and incorporate them into your diet, but don’t let them become the dominant team. That is what you eat every day.

Kate Callaghan  29:51  

actually give Olivia a green smoothie is snacks. Most day. Yeah. And I throw in there as well. And halogen Hi, sunlight and avocado and spinach. So it’s not your average green smoothie.

Natalie K. Douglas  30:07  

Green Smoothie. That’s like pretty much what mine looks like. Hey,

Kate Callaghan  30:11  

on that zucchini in the green smoothie thing. Yeah, I haven’t tried that. So is it? Raw zucchini. you phrase it? Yeah. Then you put it in this movie.

Natalie K. Douglas  30:22  

Correct? Yes. Interesting. So you know how long you freeze bananas and you put them in the smoothie. It gives that creamy consistency. Yeah, it kind of helps. And I find it actually like when you put a role in the Kini in a green smoothie. I feel like I can really tasted it to beat like other like it’s like one step two green for me. But when I sprays it, it actually tastes takes away some of that really green this. I don’t know if it works today, but try it and let me know how you go.

Kate Callaghan  30:51  

And would you put a hole that will just have one?

Natalie K. Douglas  30:53  

Nah, I usually put about a half in sometimes started with a quarter just to test it out. I probably got a quarter see if you taste it and if not, then add a little bit more. But that’s what I usually do in it. Yeah, works well.

Kate Callaghan  31:06  

People are getting fancy with their veggies these days. I saw someone with a flower dessert. Oh my god. I know we’re going to go over time but I had to Merrick Cali sell popcorn from Sarah Wilson simply says yesterday, which is basically to me cauliflower. So you chopped the cauliflower. Sorry, Sarah probably shouldn’t say we’ve

Natalie K. Douglas  31:25  

tried to

Kate Callaghan  31:28  

mix it with coconut oil to Merrick cinnamon and sea salt. And then you roast it. My God, it was amazing. So amazing. Young mercy.

Natalie K. Douglas  31:38  

itself is delicious. There are some good recipes in those books.

Kate Callaghan  31:42  

Yeah. Yeah. Simply just don’t get it. So you go.

Natalie K. Douglas  31:45  

Yeah, you should. It’s probably like one of my favorite books, because I feel like it really teaches you how to use your leftovers as well. And not just like, Oh, I have like a stalker broccoli less, that looks a little bit late. So I’m just gonna throw it out. I think she really life teaches you will have to cook in bulk not to waste anything. And just make simple food. Delicious. So thank you. Thanks to pushes, because I know. Alright guys. So we are coming up to time. So we will wrap it up here. If you have any questions we would like we’re actually going to try and do a q&a episode soon. So if you do have questions, we would really like it if you email them to either Kate or myself, which you can find us via our websites, or I think one of us will put up a post in the coming week and you can pop your questions on to that on Instagram or Facebook. So that’s just so we get an opportunity to really address some of the questions you have as well. But hopefully the liver detoxification was helpful and gave you a bit more insight and appreciation for the wonderful body that you have in the wonderful live that does that job all the time and gives you some ideas about how to really enhance that process. Sorry, Kate, was there anything else you wanted to tell our listeners about? No,

I think

I will. So one thing to our listeners is that I actually have a consultation bundles special on at the moment, which is open to new and existing clients. So basically, it’s a bundle of three consult. So you’re just paying for your initial on one follow up and I’m checking in an extra full box of free. So it does it like to offer expires on November 30. So you do have to contact me and purchase the bundle before then but you don’t have to have all three consultations before that time. You just need to book in one consultation before the end of the year and the rest have an expiry of 12 months. So is that something that interest you then the rest of the details can actually be found in the show notes and also on my Facebook and Instagram Instagram feed. So do get in contact if that interest you, sir, thank you so much, Kate, for all of the lovely information and a few giggles along the way. And we will see you guys all next week.

Kate Callaghan  34:22  

Thanks, man.

Natalie K. Douglas  34:24  

All right. Bye.