In Episode 56 of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, Natalie Douglas and Kate Callaghan discuss how to maintain Thyroid health for women and Thyroid health tips for pregnancy.

• Why thyroid issues come on after pregnancy
• What can help boost thyroid function and how thyroid function relates to absent periods
• Whether the medical medium is right that all thyroid disease is caused by Epstein Barr Virus (EBV)
• Celery juice and whether it is really good for your thyroid
• How to find out if you have EBV and how to approach treatment
• Thoughts on Ray Peat’s advice about sugar and thyroid health
• Foods you should include and avoid with an underactive thyroid
• Migraines and thyroid health
• Food intolerances 
• Underactive thyroids in males

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Intro 0:00
Hello and welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, with your hosts Natalie K. Douglas, Thyroid Healer, and Kate Callaghan, The Holistic Nutritionist. Nat and Kate are degree-qualified dietitians and nutritionists, certified fitness instructors, speakers, and authors. If you love unfiltered banter, unedited bloopers, and authentic heart-sharing, then we are your ladies! Now it’s time to sit back, relax, and get ready for our latest tips on living your healthiest life possible.

Kate Callaghan 0:35
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the holistic nutritionist podcast. Everyone, today, I am excited because we are going into part two of thyroid health Q and A with Nat. Hi, Nat!

Natalie K. Douglas 0:52
Hello! What a lovely introduction.

Kate Callaghan
I try I try.

Natalie K. Douglas
We’re laughing because we were like trying to get ourselves ready to start the show about three times.

Kate Callaghan 1:05
And I was drippling water.

Natalie K. Douglas 1:07
And greens powder.

Kate Callaghan 1:10
And greens powder.

Natalie K. Douglas 1:13
Well, that’s all right. That’s all good.

Kate Callaghan
How are you?

Natalie K. Douglas
I’m good. I’m just working away trying to complete the final little bits of the thyroid rescue program which is launching in a few weeks and just you know living my best life. Really hungry at the moment actually. I’m looking forward to some food after this. I’ve just been really hungry the last two days but I just love eating as well. So I’m like, am I hungry? Am I procrastinating? Do I just love food? All the life’s big questions.

Kate Callaghan 1:42
Yeah, a big questions. What do we have breakfast today?

Natalie K. Douglas 1:47
I had some coconut yogurt with collagen powder and berries and like some nuts and seeds and cacao nibs but I’m ready for like, on breakfast there’s only a little bit because I was like halfway but I had to do had somewhere to be and I had to do something. And I wanted a little bit to eat but I ate one heaves and then now I’m in that place where you haven’t had enough to eat at your previous meal. So you kind of get hungry a bit too soon. First world problems, lucky I can just go and eat more food.

Kate Callaghan 2:20
Indeed, indeed.

Natalie K. Douglas 2:21
Yes. Anyway, today, we are doing part two, as you mentioned. So first of all, I wanted to say thanks for everyone for sending their questions in and being patient with us getting the next round of questions done right now because there were so many that came in. So if you still have more, because I know every now and again people pop some questions through, please don’t stop sending them because we will keep doing Q and A’s as long as the Q’s come in and we have some A’s. I thought that was pretty smart.

Kate Callaghan 3:00
That was very smart but let’s start with some Q’s.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah, we should start with the Q’s.

Kate Callaghan
And you’ll bring in the A’s.

Natalie K. Douglas
I’ll bring in the A’s.

Kate Callaghan
Oh, yeah, this is me after I’ve had a nap. Imagine if we had it done this before I had a nap and it was sort of pretty horribly downhill.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:13
Interesting.

Kate Callaghan 3:15
Not, no, not interesting. I don’t know how to describe it. Anyway, let’s get going. You got some energy now. Okay.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:24
Great.

Kate Callaghan 3:29
Serious. Poker face. Alright. Nat.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes?

Kate Callaghan
Please explain low thyroid after giving birth. Mine seems to only have been underactive since then. Not my mind but this has been listed to questions.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:41
Yes, we’re speaking for the people sending in the questions. Good clarification. So, Kate’s thyroid is fine now. So basically, like there’s a few parts of this answer but basically your immune system is naturally suppressed during pregnancy to allow your body to grow a new epic little human but what happens when all this suppression is over and the immune system is back on duty with a bit of extra I guess spring in it step is that it can kind of trigger an overreaction of the immune system or I guess be a catalyst to developing Hashimoto’s, or graves disease for either underactive or overactive. But for some people, it’s kind of like the straw that broke the camel’s back if you’re already at risk of developing Hashimoto’s or or graves disease. So, one being underactive, one being overactive, both autoimmune in nature. To be a bit more specific, for a lot of women, they can actually experience what’s called postpartum thyroiditis. First, which, first what happens is this, basically an inflammation of the thyroid gland. And this seems most people experiencing symptoms of an overactive thyroid, so things like anxiety, irritability, increased heart rate, etc. But then there’s often a bit of a crash, or people flip into hypothyroid symptoms, so an underactive thyroid. To put a few numbers around it, the likelihood of this happening if you don’t have thyroid antibodies going into pregnancy is around about 11 to 22%, depending on the research that you look at. And it can actually be up to 50% in people who do have existing thyroid antibodies, or Hashimoto’s going into pregnancy. We also know that being iodine replete. Are you having enough iodine leading up to and during pregnancy can help prevent postpartum thyroiditis, which is why it’s so important to have all of this checked, like checked out properly and optimize to the best of your ability before trying to conceive because pregnancy really is the ultimate stress test for the thyroid. So getting it as healthy as possible going into pregnancy helps prevent issues after. In saying all of that, I don’t want people listening who have Hashimoto’s, or an underactive thyroid, or graves disease, who are trying to conceive or want to conceive to completely freak out because there are so many women out there who fall into these categories, who are able to fall pregnant and hold that pregnancy and there is so much that natural, and also conventional medicine, to be honest, can do to assist in some of these situations but you can’t fix what you can’t measure in this kind of scenario. Hence why, you know, last time in the thyroid Q and A, and this time while I keep encouraging you to come back to getting screened properly. And we did talk about what that actually means in the previous Q and A thyroid, thyroid Q and A last week. So if you’re like, oh, what, how do I get my thyroid tested properly? Please jump back into that episode, because we go through that. Pretty sure, in one of the first few questions, so jump back there. So that would be my answer to that one, Kate.

Kate Callaghan 6:53
Did you see my rant about that on this trend?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes.

Kate Callaghan
Because I had someone messaged me.

Natalie K. Douglas
You should be saved it somewhere.

Kate Callaghan
I think I can look back, there’s a way to look back and I should, and I will, because she was going through fertility treatment, and they tested her thyroid and just like, yeah, yeah, still fine. They said it’s all fine. So can you just run through me, I’m just gonna have additional clients. No, what they like with fertility treatment. So just send them through. I’ll just have a quick look, and there was a specific big fat L next to T-3, like, how is that okay to miss when it’s when it’s actually clinically underactive, not just, oh, it’s kinda low, and maybe watch it. It’s like, it’s under the range of sick people who get tested to define those ranges. It’s worst than many people.

Natalie K. Douglas 7:45
I know. It’s so it’s, it’s, it’s so frustrating because, you know, you go to a practitioner expecting that if there’s anything wrong, they all pointed out and make sure you know, you get the best help possible and the best advice possible, but the problem is, is they going off one marker, usually they’re going off TSH, if that’s all good, no worries. Let’s not worry about it until it’s actually a problem. But it’s already a problem like T-3, as we mentioned in the last episode, and Kate, you mentioned this in your story I remember like, T-3 is like the thing that makes shit happen like it’s the one that you want to be hundred percent in the optimal range, not just normal, it it’s just so important for you know, your health and also your baby cells.

Kate Callaghan 8:31
Bloody disgrace, that’s a bloody disgrace.

Natalie K. Douglas
It’s for the Australian of you.

Kate Callaghan
Yep. Anyway, all right, question two, what things can help boost thyroid function? I have low estrogen and progesterone, higher testosterone, and I’m probably overexercising. I want to know if it’s possible to get my period back and improve my thyroid function while still working out.

Natalie K. Douglas 8:53
Okay, so I think with this one, if you think you’re over-exercising, you always definitely are, because we often kind of underestimate how much we are overdoing it if that makes sense. And the stress of that alone, especially if you’re also under-eating for the amount of exercise you’re doing, which is very common, can be the sole cause of your low thyroid hormone levels. So I would start by absolutely reducing your exercise volume and intensity, focusing on eating enough food, including eating enough carbohydrates to help with the conversion of your inactive thyroid hormones or T-4 to your active thyroid hormone T-3. And I would also do some thyroid testing to really understand where those numbers are at as well. I think you can still work out sensibly and improve your thyroid levels but in terms of getting your period back, it sounds more like you need to address this kind of hypothalamic amenorrhea and issues with sex hormones, too. And it would be a really good idea to actually work with someone on this, like check out Kate’s e-book on HA or contact her directly. Kate, do you have something to add to this?

Kate Callaghan
No, I agree.

Natalie K. Douglas
Okay, great, but you know what I mean, like, it’s not, it’s not uncommon to see HA and low thyroid function. But for the vast majority of people, just eating more, exercising less, managing your stress, and fixing any nutrient deficiencies will correct you know, pretty much both of those issues. I mean, there’s obviously exceptions to the rule but you know, that’s definitely where I’d start.

Kate Callaghan 10:36
Yeah, all over the times the thyroid’s pushed into that crappy situation, because you’re under-eating and or over-exercising. So reverse it, nothing fancy to think about there, just do the opposite of what you’ve done to get there.

Natalie K. Douglas
Which is, yeah.

Kate Callaghan
Not me, sound like an asshole when I say that, and I probably do sound like an asshole but.

Natalie K. Douglas 10:56
Well, it’s a simple, yeah, I get what you’re saying like, it’s a simple solution and you you do just have to do it. It’s not often easy because of the mental and emotional aspects of it, which is why I’d say get support, not because, you know, you don’t know what to do but for a lot of us, we need support in doing what we have to do. And that’s okay.

Kate Callaghan 11:17
Totally, I have so many health practitioners doing my course or get my book, because you need not just the support, but also the kick in the butt.

Natalie K. Douglas 11:26
Yeah. And almost like the permission like.

Kate Callaghan
The permission, yeah, permission, accountability, everything.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah.

Kate Callaghan 11:32
Because you just do it yourself. It’s going to be very hard to stay on track and also very hard to start sometimes.

Natalie K. Douglas 11:39
Yeah, agreed.

Kate Callaghan 11:42
Thanks for that. All right. Question three. I, not, not myself, but someone else. I have read. Dampen the mood I’m in today.

Natalie K. Douglas 11:53
Yes. It’s great.

Kate Callaghan 11:56
I read the Medical Medium by Anthony William’s and he says all thyroid disease is caused by Epstein-Barr virus? Do you think that’s true? And if someone does think they have Epstein-Barr virus and the cause of their cause of their thyroid issues, and what should they do?

Natalie K. Douglas 12:11
Right here. Okay, so I have read some of his work. And I do agree that EBV can absolutely be a trigger for thyroid issues, and should be addressed. You can do some blood testing to screen for whether you’ve had a past infection or you have a current infection. I think both play a role or give your practitioner more info in relation to underlying triggers for you. In saying that, I personally don’t necessarily think it’s everyone’s trigger, like, like he seems to advocate but you know, who knows, I could be wrong, but from what I’ve seen research and in practice, and in talking to other specialists in this area, I can’t say that I’m convinced of that just yet. I’m always you know, open to learning and being proven wrong. And I think as anyone who works in this kind of area of health, it’s really important to not be too dogmatic about your stance on things. And people asked me kind of all the time, should they or can they drink celery juice? It’s like all over social media at the moment. And I honestly, yeah, like I honestly don’t care. Like if it makes you feel good, awesome. It does have some great properties to it just like most vegetables, and it’s it is quite nutrient-dense for the amount of I mean, nutrient density just means the amount of nutrients it contains for the volume of food that it is or calories that it is. So yes, it’s a it’s a healthy food but like, I just I don’t think it’s like the answer to all of your problems. But as I said, if it if it makes you feel good, go for it. My only like beef with the celery juice movement is the waste of the pulp but otherwise, like whatever man just find a way to use the leftover pulp stuff. And if you feel good, then who gives a crap whether there is a double-blind placebo-controlled trial is proving its benefits or not? I get a bit annoyed sometimes when people insist that until something’s proven beyond that, it can’t possibly work. I see heaps of shit working clinic that doesn’t have a boatload of evidence behind it yet. And as long as it’s not causing harm, and someone is noticing the change themselves then like more power to you like whatever, whatever floats your boat. But yeah, the only problem I have with it is like the food waste side of things if people are just chucking out all of the good pulp fiber stuff, but I’m sure there’s recipes of of using leftover celery pulp somewhere on the internet and hopefully we don’t like make celeries become extinct or something. But I do like it’s going a bit crazy at the moment. So give it a crack if it makes you feel good, whatever, go for it. But don’t feel like oh, my God, I have to drink celery juice or I’m just not going to feel like, that’s that’s not true. Anyway, that was a massive tangent. So to answer the second part of that person’s question around EBV treatment, so Epstein-Barr virus treatment, I’d say besides all of the things we already mentioned in the thyroid Q and A, part one, with you know, just bringing down inflammation, doing a bit of a dietary reset, and looking for nutrient deficiencies. I also find it helpful to look for some people to look into underlying food intolerances, using testing to see if there’s anything that you’re eating that you’re not aware of is that’s triggering your immune system and taking it away from fighting the viral load. But make sure you’re doing a good food intolerance tests, the ones where you give like a dried blood sport. They’re not actually as accurate as some testing companies say, but we can talk about that another time. Then I’d also be using immune-supporting supplements under the garden to the practitioner. So when I say immune-supporting supplements, the first ones are what the kind of few that I often use would be things like zinc, vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin C, echinacea, lysine, astragalus, St. John’s wort, licorice. So those would be the ones that first come to mind for me, but I wouldn’t necessarily put someone on all of those things, it would depend on what else was going on for you and also if you’re on any medications, because a few of those can interfere with medication. So I would really treat it on a case-by-case basis in relation to active treatment. And yes, I don’t think that EBV is the cause of absolutely all thyroid issues, at this stage.

Kate Callaghan 16:50
It’s an interesting stuff, doesn’t it?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah.

Kate Callaghan
I look more into it. I really do.

Natalie K. Douglas 16:56
I mean, he’s a really smart guy. Lucky, a lot of what he says is, you know, true and accurate. And I don’t think like, he does actually look at science, as well as he’s, you know, intuition or whatever he is that like, whatever he’s using, but I just like some things that he says and recommends. I’m, I just, I haven’t personally found to be true in practice. But as I said, I could be totally wrong. We could all be. I don’t know. I just think so far, I’m not convinced.

Kate Callaghan 17:29
Yeah. I mean, when you said about the celery juice and everything, and if it makes you feel good then, then do it, it comes back to something that I heard Chris Kresser say years and years ago, that you know, lack of evidence isn’t necessarily evidence against. I think we tend to just dismiss so many things. I’m not saying we should really jump on the celery juice bandwagon but we tend to dismiss things in our dietetics field if there’s no scientific evidence to back it but we also forget that it’s really friggin hard to do proper nutritional, rigorous scientific studies because they’re expensive and really hard to control the confounding factors. Yeah, and I mean, celery juice, it’s probably not going to cause you any harm doing it.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah. I don’t think so.

Kate Callaghan
I would say make sure your celery’s organic, though.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes.

Kate Callaghan
Very highly sprayed.

Natalie K. Douglas 18:25
Good point. Yeah. Hundred percent. I think that’s an excellent point, actually because, yeah, if no one is looked up the Dirty Dozen and Clean Fifteen, like celery is absolutely heavily sprayed and whatever benefit you would potentially be getting from the celery will probably be, you know, outdone by the fact that it’s sprayed with a shit ton of yucky stuff.

Kate Callaghan 18:48
Absolutely. Yes, yucky.

Natalie K. Douglas 18:54
Shit load being the measure, the accurate measurement of that yucky stuff.

Kate Callaghan
Shit load of yucky stuff were there sometimes.

Natalie K. Douglas
Sometimes, wondering if I had a degree or something.

Kate Callaghan
We speak smart.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah, we do.

Kate Callaghan 19:07
Celery’s really easy to grow as well.

Natalie K. Douglas
Is it?

Kate Callaghan
Yeah. And that’s coming from me, who has killed succulents.

Natalie K. Douglas 19:14
Yeah, I almost killed a plant the other day, but then I managed to bring it back to life but that’s interesting. There you go.

Kate Callaghan 19:20
On plants modern-day drive. I’m just in the middle of listening to a podcast, The Paleo View Podcast, which is very scientific by the way on the best houseplants to use for health but I think they’re also going to go into the most hardy ones, some of them are hardiest to kill as well.

Natalie K. Douglas
That’s awesome. Challenge accepted.

Kate Callaghan
Yeah, paleo of you. That’s a really good for those who are like oh, celery juice. There’s no fucking science there.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah.

Kate Callaghan
Go get the Paleo beer.

Natalie K. Douglas 19:49
Awesome. I’m gonna check that out, and even your podcast at the moment.

Kate Callaghan 19:53
Alright, next question. Question four. What are your thoughts on Ray Peat and his recommendation of sugar for thyroid health?

Natalie K. Douglas 20:01
Okay, so Kate, I haven’t actually looked into this one too much, to be honest. So I won’t comment because I’m not actually sure of his specific thoughts but my, like my first instinct is to say, no sugar, because it drives inflammation. And if you’re having it alone, it’s going to contribute to dysregulated blood sugar. But I know you’ve actually had some success doing this or, you know, you have an opposite opinion so, and as I said, I have not looked into it. So do you want to share what do you know, or what you’ve experienced with people, or what like, what is his recommendation?

Kate Callaghan 20:37
Yeah, I don’t know if he recommends sugar specifically, or I mean, I think he recommends not going low carb, which we agree with him. We’ve spoken about that with thyroid health but one thing that I do get my HA girls, specifically those with a lot of thyroid is to and this is really only something that I do with low thyroid and HA. It’s not really something that I do with anyone who doesn’t have those concerns is I get them to start their day with a glass of fresh, freshly squeezed orange juice.

Natalie K. Douglas
Interesting.

Kate Callaghan
Yeah, because it is that immediate hit of glucose that kind of communicates to the brain that there is energy abundance right away, and you know that we need that glucose for that conversion of the T-4 to T-3. And so, I’ve actually found that it’s, it’s quite beneficial.

Natalie K. Douglas 21:24
Interesting. Well, that’s good to know. I have to, yeah, I have to look into it because I, sorry everybody, I didn’t get a chance to like Google my way through it. And I didn’t want to, or like, you know how sometimes you only see half the half the story. So I was like, oh, I probably shouldn’t comment on this one, but interesting food for thought. So I will look further into that.

Kate Callaghan
Cool.

Natalie K. Douglas
What’s next?

Kate Callaghan 21:45
Next question, what should I consume for an underactive thyroid, and what should I stay away from?

Natalie K. Douglas 21:50
Okay, so in terms of a starting place, so it’s hard to know where this person’s coming from but I I’ll start basic basics. So, I’d simply try to get back to eating more of a Whole Foods based diet and eliminate as much processed food as possible. I definitely be cutting out you know, the big players like alcohol, sugar, industrial seed oils, I would reduce coffee consumption as well because there’s often adrenal issues alongside thyroid issues and I’d really focused on nutrient density, so plenty of veggies, a bit of fruit, healthy fats, you know, small to moderate amounts of highly high-quality animal protein. To be honest, if you’re confused, this would probably be a situation where I’d say jumping into my thyroid rescue program would be a great idea because we have a whole 12-week meal plan in there with a big list of foods to include and avoid each week as we go through the phases and we really kind of step you through a bit of an elimination and reintroduction protocol. And there’s the option to have additional food intolerance testing done if that doesn’t sort sort things out for you. Just a side note, if anyone does want to learn more about it. We did speak about it in last week’s thyroid Q and A, like the first Q and A episode, and there’s also a free webinar coming up that is going to have all the info on thyroid rescue plus some deals for signing up to the first program so it’s on the seventh of March at 7 PM, Sydney Australian time but will also be recorded. So you can listen after if you miss out. So if you just go to NatalieKDouglas.com/thyroid-rescue or just go to my website and there’s a tab that says thyroid rescue. I would do that because it’s really hard with, you know, what should I eat? What shouldn’t I eat because I guess it depends what the thyroid issue is and also where you’re starting. But if you know that, like say, if you have Hashimoto’s and that’s driving your underactive thyroid, then there are additional things that I’d say oh, well, I would really eliminate gluten and probably dairy first off as well but if it’s just underactive I, and you have not begun doing anything, then I would just focus on trying to crowd out a lot of the processed food with more unprocessed food. So sorry, the answer isn’t specific, but I’m not really sure where with it kind of starting from.

Kate Callaghan 24:19
Eat some gluten-free carbs probably.

Natalie K. Douglas 24:21
Yes, definitely.

Kate Callaghan 24:25
All right. Question six. Can migraines be caused by an underactive thyroid?

Natalie K. Douglas 24:30
Um, this is kind of tricky because like, maybe it could contribute to them, but I wouldn’t say it would be the pure cause of a migraine like the root cause. Migraines are probably more commonly related to food intolerances, poor circulation, which can happen in thyroid issues because everything slows down, nutrient deficiencies, mold exposure, or hormonal imbalances. So an underactive thyroid could perhaps worsen the symptoms but I don’t often and see that an underactive thyroid being the root cause as a standalone. So migraines are one of those symptoms that could be related to so many different things, as I just mentioned. So working with a practitioner that can do a thorough assessment of your whole story is really helpful, because you’d be surprised how much information you can gather from some really thyroid case taking. Something you could do on your own. First, as a bit of detective work, is try to keep a note of when the migraines happen, and even keeping lack of food and symptom diary to see if you notice any triggers or patterns with where you’re at in your cycle for example, make sure you’re drinking enough water and try taking some magnesium a few times a day like in divided doses, so maybe like 150 to 200 milligrams, three times a day can help for some people, but just on the kind of food-related things, it can actually take up to 72 hours for your body to have a reaction. So even though the last thing you like you ate might have been an apple, and then you get the migraine straight away. The migraine might not have been induced by the apple but it could have been induced by you know, the chocolate you had the night before, after dinner, or something like that. So that’s where kind of testing is, is helpful, but I would just try to start taking note of when they’re happening, what you’re eating, and try and feel, try and take out some like really common things that could be causing it like magnesium deficiency. So taking some magnesium, it’s relatively safe and and making sure you’re drinking enough water. And then once you’ve got a bit of information about the pattern of your migraines, then that’s when I take that information to a practitioner so they can actually do a thorough assessment of okay, what might be driving the migraines for you. That’s it.

Kate Callaghan
Did you mention chemical sensitivities?

Natalie K. Douglas
No, good one. I said mold but yeah, absolutely. Chemical sensitivities could be the cause as well.

Kate Callaghan 27:12
Yeah, so I’d get rid of all of your mainstream chemical cleaning products, fragrances, skincare products.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes.

Kate Callaghan
Because all of these things could definitely be contributing to migraines.

Natalie K. Douglas 27:25
That’s a side note. But, yeah, I I’m sorry. Sorry to interrupt. I was just, you made me think I’m like how much I hate when I walk past someone that has like super strong.

Kate Callaghan
Channel number 5?

Natalie K. Douglas
Oh, my God, like what the hell with Chanel? Why would you make that and then like men would be like strong links and like, my brother used to do it. It’s like they don’t just spray like a, under their armpits, it’s like, like, did you not have a shower? Do you need a substitute deodorant shower?

Kate Callaghan 27:57
But that’s what the ad says to do. Shows the sixth man spraying himself, and the thousand women running after him.

Natalie K. Douglas 28:01
He’d be so much sexier if like he had body odor or something.

Kate Callaghan 28:05
Do you say your brother?

Natalie K. Douglas 28:06
No. I said, he, the man in the ad.

Kate Callaghan 28:10
So to say, your brother is quite good looking, isn’t he?

Natalie K. Douglas 28:13
He’s a cutie. He’s got the amazing blue eyes. I’m so jealous, anyway. I said the man in the ad would be so much sexier even if he had body odor, body odor over that terrible smell.

Kate Callaghan 28:24
It feels just putting a little bit of essential oil on his wrist.

Natalie K. Douglas 28:28
That was so good.

Kate Callaghan
Sexy when he’s kinda do it.

Natalie K. Douglas
Like, keep the muscles and the you know whatever else they’ve done to him but and yeah, just a little bit of essential oil, on the wrist, under the pits. Good to go. I’d be running to that that that man. I wouldn’t be running to the other one.

Kate Callaghan 28:45
Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I get you. It’s worse when when you get your child back who’s been hanging out with someone who’s fragrance all over them, my child is covered in chemicals.

Natalie K. Douglas 28:56
Quick can dip them in something different. Kate, just has an essential oils. They should, Ed, you come over here by now.

Kate Callaghan 29:05
Because you’ve got to wash it off. Even then, it’s like sinking in like it’s, it’s caught into their bodies already. I know, I sound like a neurotic person with a tinfoil hat sitting in the corner but man when you know.

Natalie K. Douglas
That’s only on Fridays, right?

Kate Callaghan
Oh, did you know how much damage that stuff is doing to your body? Like, the hormone disruptors and.

Natalie K. Douglas
It’s crazy that we’re the crazy ones, that’s why.

Kate Callaghan
No.

Natalie K. Douglas 29:33
We’re working to change that. We’re doing well.

Kate Callaghan
Are we?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes, we are. We’re impacting people every day.

Kate Callaghan 29:42
Yeah, we are. Get rid of your fragrance. Honestly, I have clients all the time. Like no, I’m not ready to get some fragrance. Well, you’re not ready to balance your hormones and be kinder to everyone who walks past you.

Natalie K. Douglas 29:53
Yeah, and I just and essential oils are like the perfect substitute. I always get people telling me, I smell nice.

Kate Callaghan
Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas
When I wear the essential oils. Does it happen, otherwise, sorry.

Kate Callaghan 30:06
Not when I forget to put on my natural deodorant and to oils that are kind of stink but.

Natalie K. Douglas
But yeah, like there’s. Honestly, like if you haven’t smell some of the doTERRA essential oil blends then like you need to contact Kate and get some because.

Kate Callaghan
You haven’t lived.

Natalie K. Douglas
You have not lived.

Kate Callaghan
This is me. To me, I mean when I in my beauty publicity days, I was working for fragrance as well. So I had all of the fancy fragrances like Prada, Hermes, Thierry Mugler, Laura Mercier, all of them.

Natalie K. Douglas
Did you also turn French or something during that?

Kate Callaghan
Totally. Totally, did. I have a I have a really good French friend here. And she bags the shit out of me when I don’t pronounce things properly.

Natalie K. Douglas 30:50
I just like when you say plants and dance.

Kate Callaghan 30:53
Look, I pick up, it’s different accents that I want to. I pick and choose and create my new blended accent of Australian / Kiwi / French.

Natalie K. Douglas
I like it.

Kate Callaghan
Thank you very much.

Natalie K. Douglas
I like it. You keep doing that.

Kate Callaghan
I will. Meanwhile, my child sounds like a friggin Kiwi Bogan.

Natalie K. Douglas 31:10
Olivia?

Kate Callaghan 31:12
Yes. No, not Ed, he’s got the Czech accent because his name is Czech.

Natalie K. Douglas 31:19
What a multicultural family you’re breading over there.

Kate Callaghan 31:22
My daughter sings that multi songs. I have no idea what she’s saying.

Natalie K. Douglas
That’s awesome.

Kate Callaghan
It’s awesome, it is. Anyway, last question.

Natalie K. Douglas 31:33
Yes?

Kate Callaghan
Can men have thyroid issues, and are symptoms the same?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes. So, sorry men, I left you out in the other podcast but I didn’t really because yes, same symptoms minus the issues with their menstrual cycle of course hopefully they don’t have one. But still they would have issues in relation to their fertility and libido. So low sex drive, difficulties with erections, poor sperm motility, etc. And the same testing should be done for men as for women, and very much the same treatment. So yes, definitely. It’s less common but it’s still absolutely out there and the thing. So if you have, if you are a male or you know a male that is experiencing a lot of the symptoms that we’ve talked about in relation to low thyroid, definitely get them to get tested.

Kate Callaghan
Good job.

Natalie K. Douglas
Thanks.

Kate Callaghan 32:30
Is your course open to males as well?

Natalie K. Douglas 32:33
Like it is but the marketing is very much targeted at females so and there’s like because as I said, all of the advice is still suitable for men and women but because it’s such a female dominant issue, the marketing behind it is very much targeted at females, but males can join if you don’t mind being in a group with a lot of females. And also, I know that I didn’t mention it last time but we have now decided that it is going to be released to Australia and New Zealand instead of just Australia. Yay!

Kate Callaghan 33:08
Thank you for including a smaller country.

Natalie K. Douglas
No probs.

Kate Callaghan
Small but mighty.

Natalie K. Douglas 33:17
That’s it.

Kate Callaghan
Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas
I like to think of myself as small but mighty as well so.

Kate Callaghan 33:21
You are small but mighty.

Natalie K. Douglas
Thank you. Just mainly small.

Kate Callaghan
But mighty.

Natalie K. Douglas
Thanks, Kate.

Kate Callaghan
Good things come in small packages.

Natalie K. Douglas 33:30
That’s right. That’s what my mom used to sing to me that ad, From Little Things Big Things Grow. I was like, thanks, Mom.

Kate Callaghan 33:40
But I still have a.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah, I know.

Kate Callaghan
It’s all right. Still young.

Natalie K. Douglas
When my…

Kate Callaghan
When mommy?

Natalie K. Douglas 33:54
Okay, this is getting away. Oh, why not thyroid related?

Kate Callaghan 33:57
Professional, sorry, people.

Natalie K. Douglas 33:59
I know. So before that, that was all the questions that we needed to cover for from what’s been sent in. But as we mentioned, sending any more that you have. Before we wrap up I did want to give like I kind of already touched on it before. But just another quick reminder that the thyroid rescue launch webinar is on the seventh of March at 7 PM, Sydney time, but to sign up to it you need to go to my website NatalieKDouglas.com and click on thyroid rescue and just pop in your email address. So whether you can attend live or you can only watch the recording still make sure you jump on to that because that’s the only place where it will be seen and released. And the first program starts on Sunday, the 10th of March. So yes, head to the web. All information is on the website, but I just wanted to flag that because that’s just what you do when you’re on a podcast, you make some announcements. Kate, any announcements from you, from your end?

Kate Callaghan 35:00
I’m going to Australia tomorrow to run some oils workshops throughout Queensland. So I don’t know if this podcast would be released beforehand, is it?

Natalie K. Douglas 35:10
I’ll put it. It’ll probably be released tomorrow so.

Kate Callaghan 35:13
Okay, if it’s really all right. I do have a few spots for an essential oils Holistic Health workshop on Thursday at 1 PM in Brisbane.

Natalie K. Douglas
Awesome.

Kate Callaghan
But I have some spots at Sunday the 24th of Feb, 9:30 AM on the Sunshine Coast in Noosa.

Natalie K. Douglas
Awesome.

Kate Callaghan
Might to come along, shoot me a message but I will be jumping on the Insta story soon, I just need to wipe the scars from under my eyes, put a brower on and good to go.

Natalie K. Douglas 35:46
Awesome. Yeah, I’m not wearing pants well like not proper pants. You know I just.

Kate Callaghan 35:49
I do wear my pajama pants on.

Natalie K. Douglas 35:51
Yes, same, same. I’m on my pajama pants on. They’re so comfortable. I don’t know why I just got so excited about that but this is what happens when you, they just like I just want them, I just want to wear them all the time. Anyway.

Kate Callaghan
You can, the joy is.

Natalie K. Douglas
I said that and I’m like like my voice in my inside my head, it’s like, Natalie you do it in most the time. Do you know how all those like entrepreneurs stuff like they’re like get dressed in the morning like in the clothes even if you work from home. I’m like, no, I’m gonna pass on that like, I’m good. I see your point but I’m good like comfort makes me work harder.

Kate Callaghan
I’ll put underpants on but then I’m putting.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes. I’ll put my best work underpants on but then the PJs gone to top.

Kate Callaghan 36:40
Alright, this is going.

Natalie K. Douglas 36:43
Yes, it is. Alright, so we will speak to you guys next time. If you need any more information on essential oils classes contact Kate, and if you want to sign up to the thyroid rescue webinar, which you should, then go ahead over to my website and do that and we will speak to you guys soon. Have a lovely safe trip Kate and I will talk to you soon.

Kate Callaghan 37:03
Thanks, Nat.

Natalie K. Douglas
Bye.

Kate Callaghan
Bye.

Outro 37:07
Thanks for tuning in to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. Remember, we love to make the show relevant to you. If you have any questions or topics you’d like us to discuss, just submit them to [email protected] and we’ll get them answered for you. Also, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast on iTunes and share it with your friend. And if you’re looking for more info about how we can accelerate your journey to your optimal health, you can find me, Nat, over at NatalieKDouglas.com, and Kate at TheHolisticNutritionist.com. See you next time!

Natalie K. Douglas 37:48
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