#43 Holistic Management of Epilepsy in Children - with Sonya Reynolds

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"At least 40% of the Australian population who have epilepsy are children. So it's really important that you get their seizures under control because every time they're having a seizure it can affect the brain; that's when their development can begin to regress."

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In Episode 43 of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, Natalie Douglas, Kate Callaghan, and their guest, Sonya Reynolds (Holistic Health Coach & Nutritionist) discuss how epilepsy is treated and the benefits of holistic epilepsy treatment for children.

  • What is epilepsy and how common is it in children?
  • Sonya’s personal experience with having a child with epilepsy
  • The biggest challenges children and parents of children with epilepsy face
  • Dietary strategies in management of epilepsy in children
  • Supplementation and the role it can have in management
  • Lifestyle tips and tricks
  • Advice for parents starting out in incorporating holistic management strategies 
  • How and where Sonya practices
  • Sonya’s tips for leading a happy and healthy life as a Mum of 2 school aged children

Sonya Reynolds is a Nutritionist, with over 10 years industry experience. Sonya specialises children’s nutrition and has an abundance of experience working with children with special needs. This passion was born from her own personal experience with her beautiful daughter which you can hear more about in the podcast. Sonya currently practise online via Skype and in person at Studio-You clinicin Birchgrove which is in Sydney’s Inner West.

You can find Sonya here.

Sonya Reynolds
Holistic Health Coach & Nutritionist

Intro 0:00
Welcome to the holistic nutritionist podcast where he’ll find inspiration and answers to how you can become the healthiest, happiest version of you. Do you think whole food nutrition, smart supplementation, movement and lifestyle hacks, your host Natalie Burke and Kate Callaghan, a degree qualified dietitians and nutritionists, certified fitness instructors, speakers and authors with extensive knowledge and clinical experience in the wellness industry. So sit back and enjoy the show. Hey guys,

Sonya Reynolds 0:39
welcome back to the podcast today we are actually doing something a little bit different. So Kate isn’t with me today. However, I do have my beautiful friend Sonia Reynolds. So Simon is a nutritionist with over 10 years industry experience. She specializes in children’s nutrition and has an abundance of experience with working with children please special needs, which was actually born from her own personal experience with a beautiful daughter, which we’ll chat about a bit more soon. She currently practices online and in person at a studio called studio you clinic in birch Grove, which is in Sydney’s in a West. And I will put links to Sonia’s website and social media and all that jazz in the show notes. So feel free to check that out. So Sonia, welcome to the podcast. How are you this morning?

Thanks, Matt. I’m so excited to be on your podcast. Thanks for inviting me

more than welcome. So our first question that I’ve just decided we ask all the guests now is What did you have for breakfast this morning?

I absolutely loved that. That was your first question being a total foodie like you are. So I have found the best way to manage my blood sugar and my wife is that all have a good quality carbohydrates in the morning. So I’ll do gluten free Oh. And then what I’ll do is I’ll bump up the protein with a really beautiful protein, usually from a rice protein or a protein or hemp protein source. And then the thing I think is the key to my breakfast is that I include MZT so medium chain triglycerides, which are right for brain function, which we’ll talk about today. But I feel like I’m firing on all cylinders when I have the MSHA and then I have some mixed berries who frozen organic mixed berries mixed in with that so young. Oh, I

love it. So how do you put the MCT and you just pour it over the top?

Yeah, just pour it over the top. And I even use it with the kids. And it just looks oily but it doesn’t taste like anything or smell like anything. So it’s a really good way to get that great nutrition in there as well.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:03
I love it. Well, good stuff. So hopefully someone can steal that idea and and have it for breakfast.

Yeah. So

Sonya Reynolds 3:11
today, we’re actually going to be talking about focusing our chat on treating children with epilepsy because it’s not something that I specialize in myself. And so I thought, why not get someone on the podcast that does and also someone who really has some firsthand experience in dealing with this, both in clinic and in her in her own children. So or in her child. So before we do jump into that, can you let us know? How like, what is epilepsy for those that are listening that don’t know? And how common is it particularly in children?

Yeah, it’s a great question. So the epilepsy, the epilepsy, epilepsy is a disease in which someone can have a stages, two part of it. And there’s about 50% of epilepsy that that actually don’t know what the causes. And they can be multiple Phaedra types as well. So part of the disease is that phase, people can have a chronic chronic disease, which are the big ones that you probably recognize epilepsia. There are also small ones, where people can basically have their eyes rolling to the back to the head and having really many little what’s called an iconic facial. So there’s lots of different stages. And what people may not know is that every time someone’s having a seizure is having an effect on the brain in the sense that it can cause damage, which is why it’s really important that you get again, seizure control, because every time you’re having that seizure, it can affect Brian. Interesting. Yeah, look, I know, I didn’t know that until I had experience with epilepsy. I just thought someone had a seizure. And, you know, potentially they pulled over, I didn’t know that the actual seizure could damage. So that’s why, as I said, it’s really important time to see the seizure control. And that’s why it’s the when practitioners, you know, neurologists are trading epilepsy, that’s a primary goal, sometimes to the detriment to the person’s well being general well being unfortunately, you want those faces on the control in regards to how many children so at least 40% of the Australian population who have epilepsy are children, and they’ve over 250,000 people in Australia. So there’s a significant population. We living with epilepsy in Australia at the moment, nearly 40% of children.

Natalie K. Douglas 6:02
Wow, that’s insane. I did not know the numbers were that high. That’s crazy.

Sonya Reynolds 6:08
Yeah, yeah.

And so what actually drove you to specialize in this area?

Great question. So I remember learning about epilepsy. When I was studying, I was like, Wow, that is really hard. I never get to see anyone within the lab. See, I don’t

Natalie K. Douglas 6:31
know. And then

Sonya Reynolds 6:34
when my tool shot for my daughter images now and then we can she was born. We don’t like to say the word normal, but she was born with with no conditions or anything. And she was making all 10 milestones and growing, and what she had with a sudden onset and epilepsy at three and a half. So one Saturday evening, we’re just at home. And she started falling all the time. And that’s that my clinics Asia was telling you about when they have eyes, basically bowling to the back of the head, and then they can hit the deck so they can fall anywhere. And she just kept falling over. And I’m like, gee, she must be really hungry, has blood sugar mom below typical nutritionist. And then I looked at her and Kim, my husband said to me, in the eyes flicking in her head, and I’m like, oh, you’re drama queen. What are you talking about? And I turned around and looked at her and her eyes were freaking on and off. And she going to sleep and then come back and just go and what she meant a bay, because I don’t know that they’re having this Asia. But then she was like, I’m waiting for looked at each other. And we’re like, oh my god, like what it was. We didn’t know what it was. It didn’t look like aphasia to us. Yeah, so we called the ambulance. And now would they ever be minutes, thankfully, and the seizures kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse and progressing and progressing. So if you don’t get the seizures under control, they can’t keep progressing. And then it became full body and it took over a day and a half for her to be diagnosed with epilepsy. So that’s how I became involved with it. What she has is a really rare, aggressive epilepsy where she has subclinical so you don’t see them seizures in her sleep. And as I was describing earlier in the podcast, if you don’t get the seizures under control, these kids can regret. So our daughter went from meeting her milestones to becoming nonverbal backing nappies drooling when she was about five years of age, that was that very lowest point very worst. So I became a specialist because I had to be because she was drug resistant. What that means is that there was three or more drugs that didn’t control her seizures. So I had to find alternative ways to manage epilepsy alongside those medications. So I had to get, you know, use my nutritional understanding of vitamins and minerals of therapy, and really look at outside of what the paradigm that I’ve been given to you complimentary therapy.

Wow, that it sounds like it would have been not only a huge emotional learning curve, but you know, a huge intellectual learning curve, because as you said, I mean, I was saying when I was faced with, you know, epilepsy or treating epilepsy account, like it comes up when you going through studying, or just when you’re doing extra learning and whatnot, kind of always think, Oh, I like I won’t need to treat that like, Whoa, that sounds complicated. But like, yeah, you were kind of forced to. And I think, you know, when there’s also, when it’s so close to you, you there’s that extra motivation to really find out what exactly that you can do. But I can imagine that there would have been a lot of challenges along the way. And I know that you obviously treat a lot of children with epilepsy besides your daughter. And I guess I’m curious to know, what are the biggest challenges that you see, I guess, both children and parents of children with epilepsy spicing?

Yeah, I love that you asked that question. So something that you just said as well. One thing that took me a while to I sounds like I just got straight onto it and started shooting at her epilepsy. But it took me a good year and a half to really get my head around these really complicated condition. And emotionally, it was really difficult because when she was really sick, we’re at the hospital a lot, and we’re very sleep deprived. And we would just surviving. So a lot of patients that come to me, their parents throughout their weekend, they just need some sort of support. So the biggest challenges that I see if I see a lack of faith and control, even though they’re on medication, so as I said, there’s that refractory epilepsy that they’re not getting seizure control, and not easy Coleman about wanting free people with epilepsy won’t gain seizure control. So it’s there’s, there’s a demand for these sort of support. The other reason that I have parents come to me or even adults with epilepsy I see as well is that they want an enhancement of the quality of life. So it’s going to have these medications that they have to have. And then there’s no judgment in that my daughter is on anti epileptic medication as well. It does save lives, what can they do alongside that medication, so that they can have an enhancement of quality of life, for example, a lot of the anti epileptic drugs have a vitamin deficiency as part of their side effects. So as you knowing that B vitamins, pretty much do everything in the body. They’re involved in a lot of enzymatic reactions, out energy, mood, neurotransmitter production. So one of those sort of one on one, treatments that you can do that, that really benefits people’s lives. So that’s the other thing. And basically preventing brain, I don’t want to say injury, like basically assisting me families have their child to to learn and develop more in a linear way. Because they ease as I said, that, that normally me and learning that can go on. So that’s where I see the biggest challenges in quality of life and seizure control. And for me, to help the parents feel like that I have a super bored as well, part of that support team. And in fact, one of the reasons why I became a life coach is because I want to help those moms especially key to to be able to manage their children and have their quality of life too. Because if you’re not going well, if you’re not feeling good, it’s really hard to and I know from personal experience to to manage the kids with additional names.

Yeah, absolutely. And then such a good point to make. And, you know, I didn’t mention at the beginning, but Sonia is a life coach, as you just mentioned, sign and I have totally witnessed you help a lot of women that are even just even just the parents of children with special needs just supporting young moms to continue to live a healthy happy life. Because, you know, it’s, it’s easy to put everyone else first and forget about forget about you. So I really like that that’s part of the focus, especially when there is that extra demand of having a child that, you know, maybe you know, it has something like epilepsy or has any kind of, you know, additional need or extra thing to consider as well. So, I want to switch gears slightly now and really get to chat to you a little bit about what maybe are your top dietary strategies that you found to be effective in both your personal and clinical experience in treating epilepsy in children and of course, a reminder to everyone listening that this isn’t prescriptive advice This is we would always encourage you to work with a practitioner but we’re just simply putting some things on your radar here So Simon what what’s kind of worked for you or hasn’t worked for you and and what are your go tues at least as a starting point?

Yeah, that’s a great question. They awesome, really key dietary interventions that I do look at. And it’s really interesting, even just trading my you know, an amount of patience, how things coming up, and I’m a little bit about it as well and racers quite a bit. So what they found is that the kids with epilepsy can have a more likely I shouldn’t say, an allergy to cow’s milk. So one of the first things that I will do is I’ll have a look at pictures. The child you know, Darius, they’ll see what they eating, and there’s a lot of dairy there, there are some simple changes that we can make, so that those children are having the cow’s milk protein, so you can still look at having gay, which is that the fat? But yeah, one of the first things I would do would be look at dairy and vitamin research. And another interesting thing is that humans with epilepsy tend to be higher in celiac disease, then the the control that they were preparing and then sugar, right. And then what I can say, is that the Charlotte was diagnosed with epilepsy, and I removed the gluten as soon as possible to the epilepsy on their they had a better control than anybody good. Wow.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So gluten and dairy free would be a really good starting point. And look, that’s something that Kate and I do talk about a lot. So definitely resonates with I’m sure a lot of people that are listening. Are there any other things that you would adjust or that you particularly focused on? I mean, I know that the idea of the ketogenic diet will come off as a question. So if you can address that, in your experience, that would be great as well.

No question. And one thing I want to add, when we say cow, when we believe that getting gluten, I think alarm bells go off in people’s brain because they feel immediately overwhelmed. So one thing that I would say, that’s where practitioner can come in, and really tease out what could be most appropriate and give you ideas to support that. So for me, even when I was removing these allergenic foods, you know, I did too overwhelmed as well, especially when you have a higher sort of mental load as you do with potentially a child with additional needs. I think just flagging Don’t worry, you know, we’re not just going to rip them off cow’s milk can, you know, send you into a, you know, a downward spiral need support there. But yes, as you say, definitely looking at ketogenic diet interventions for children and adults with epilepsy. Now, let’s make it really simple because I think there’s a lot of information out there. And again, it can be overwhelming. So I personally use the ketogenic diet with my daughter, and it was a game changer when she was very sick, as I said she had, she was getting no seizure control. So we introduced the ketogenic diet as the last resort. And I think that’s the issue here. Is that what you can do, you can potentially be more fat friendly since the beginning without having to go into the book title. So just backtrack to what ketones are there the plot byproduct of breaking that down into energy. And this actually really still unsure exactly how to choices is beneficial to the brain? Because I think it is because the way that that the ketones work is that they are anti inflammatory. And I helped to provide energy to the mitochondria, which your powerhouse T cells. So you I’m sure you know that not but I think it’s always a good reminder

there. Absolutely.

And so even the new thing, Eva, I think it’s really interesting to remind people that Hippocrates, so YP century, he was talking about fasting to manage epilepsy, and the walker choices does, is that a mimic fasting? Yeah. So I think we need to remember that this isn’t a new thing, that we just have to use it in a really modern smart way. So using good quality fats, and enough adequate protein and low carbohydrates, which can be difficult

for for parents, especially kids, kids love carbs.

Natalie K. Douglas 20:39
Sweat I love.

Sonya Reynolds 20:46
This is something that you would absolutely do with a practitioner, but something that I would recommend is using the medium chain, triglycerides in your diet, and even a starting point. Because those medium chain triglycerides, kind of insight, that medium chain triglycerides are converted straight to ketone. So they really nice anti inflammatory to use energy for the brain. They are little simple hacks that you can do without having to go through ketosis is that, you know, would need to be closely monitored.

Yeah, totally. And look, I love that approach. Because I do think that it can be really overwhelming. And I also, like I’m totally on board with, I really believe that at least at the beginning of a journey like this, it’s invaluable to invest your money and your time spending with like, like on a practitioner, like yourself, so on because it’s, it’s not that there’s lack of information, if anything, it’s that there’s too much information. And yeah, if you, if you try and do everything, you’re doing nothing. And so it’s really important to get someone that can be objective to that, that situation, and take the lead off, take the decision fatigue out of it, and just say, this is what you should do, and also work within what’s realistic for you. Because what might be realistic for one mother with a child that has epilepsy or special needs or anything like that might be a completely different situation for another. And that’s where it’s just invaluable to invest your time and money to speak like in speaking with someone that knows what they’re talking about. And then you know, once things are on the right track, you can start to do a bit more experimenting on your own or, you know, to pull away from that one on one support as much. But I totally think that that’s, that’s really super important. And doing it in a way that works for you. So some people really like the all or nothing approach, but others really like the step by step approach where you just start to make one change, and then another change and then another chain and no UI is right or wrong. The right way is the way that works for you and someone to help you go through that process is just so valuable.

And you know what i found effects not and what I found really interesting, as well as I like to eat as a family. So I will make keto friendly meal. So we’re no longer on a strict keto diet. We did it for two years, ketogenic diet. And then the modified Atkins diet for epilepsy, which has more protein, which we found was more suitable for our life long term and for my image, and as well. And then now I just do keto friendly. And I’ll include some brown rice with their meal, or some gluten free pasta, or something like that. And, you know, good quality veggies, and I’ll chop them up really finely because there are lots of vegetables that a low carbohydrate can include, and you can hide. But a really easy family friendly meal is a yummy car like to read curry, which is a chilly, coconut milk in it. And then you can have you know, all your different yummy veggies like to broccoli, new cauliflower. And then what we can do is add the add the right to the kids or even to cauliflower rice, if you want to go without those carbohydrates as well, just monitoring them. So there are ways that you can eat as a family as well. I think that’s something that takes the overwhelm out of it as well.

Yeah, totally. You don’t want to be cooking a billion different meals. I think that’s really important. And one is one thing that me and Kate are very passionate about is that there should be no such thing as kids food. Because really, it’s it’s all just food and what an adult ate to a large extent should be what a child eats as well. So none of these kids menu bullshit that we see all around, so I’m definitely on board. I know.


Natalie K. Douglas 25:00
I know. I mean, sometimes I remember like once though, I really wanted something that was on the kids menu because I wasn’t a kid, they wouldn’t give it to me. I was like, come on, I’m like the size of the child.

First of all problems.

Sonya Reynolds 25:16
So okay, so that’s kind of gives us a lot to start with. And and to me, yeah, the diet strategies. And you spoke a little bit about supplements and the role that that can play. So you mentioned being vitamins. You also mentioned MZT oil, is there any others that maybe someone could discuss with their practitioner that might be beneficial in this particular situation?

Natalie K. Douglas 25:39
Yeah, so I find the keys to most

Sonya Reynolds 25:47
epileptic suits that all do a B complex, because depending on the different medications, mainly to different deficiencies of face. But as we know, the B vitamins all work in unison together, they turn each other on and off. And so I always do a B complex. And magnesium is another one that’s really important for intellect except down. But most epileptics are low in magnesium, which I think is really interesting. So usually I’ll look at calcium, magnesium, depending on what’s going on. Of course, it’s all personalized description. But I’m just thinking generally, yeah, yeah, I know, look at the link levels as well. And the reason being, is that what I and I’m sure you do this to nap feed, magnesium and zinc, are really important, as I said about those enzymatic reactions. They’re also really important for neurotransmitters. So things like glutamate, GABA, serotonin doesn’t mean they’re all neurotransmitters. And indeed, the zinc is a mineral that’s going to help in their production. So you would potentially check this child level of the or you would at least give them a base level. So again, it’s about dosage and personalized prescription. Something that also say that was really important, especially they are any allergies, probiotics, and there’s a lot of information out there, isn’t there not a babbling connection? I don’t need to go into that. But what I think is really interesting is that, you know, predominantly have got his mind up about me system. So, you know, knowing that base, the gut, I mean, connection is the gut brain connection. I think probiotics and prebiotics. And gut healing is really imperative with a keys to Yeah,

absolutely. No, I’ve probably said a lot. The last thing that I’ve used quite,

quite well, is krill oil. So clearly, it’s a type of

I want to say crucial, but it’s not. It’s

an analogy. It’s what the cliche, yes,

it was a tiny, tiny little crew. And what

it naturally contains is, it’s got a PhD, hey, Tracy, you know, I’m sure everyone knows about that by now. So anti inflammatories, goodness of the brain that JHI but it also naturally contains force, the title calling, and this basically creates the barrier around our cells. So it’s really important for communication between the cell and also acetylcholine contains Facebook, the title calling, which is a neurotransmitter that’s involved in the neuro muscular function. So basically, if you’re talking about nerve conduction as well, so there’s sort of things that I have found really good responses with my patients. So for example, when I say a really good response, I’ll find that my patients have better clarity better wood finding ability them will come they’re less what a family difficult because I can have quiet canes muscles, not like if he can deliver them walk they’re in a spasm even so just found those sort of nutrients really helped with their mood behavior. Yeah. And and that sort of muscle tension that I experienced, right?

The day my case, okay,

well, we’ll stick with those ones. But more specific ones that you particular use, they can hook into CU. But there are some really good ones that people can get started with or talk talk to their tech practitioner

practitioner. I definitely be working with a practitioner. You know, I’ve you know, these kids, if they’re on even if they’re on one medication I can do you really need someone who understands the medications and potentially the nutritional deficiencies? Yeah. Yeah,

absolutely. Alright, so that’s supplements. Now the next question that I have for you is, does lifestyle play a role in management of epilepsy? So is that important, and how have you managed to implement that with your clients and with your with imaging as well?

Look, it’s really interesting. Yeah, absolutely life saga. My parents that, to me, has figured out sort of those one on one things, but if someone’s starting on the epilepsy journey, you really need to look at a flake is absolutely imperative for these kids, like Jeff probation can cool seizures. And it’s happened with our daughter, multiple times, women maybe try to sort of, you know, do very differently. Unfortunately, she’s getting better as she gets older. But we’ve definitely had a

breakthrough stages because of the sleep deprivation.

And illness, interestingly, she can get I an infection, so you really have to take them in a bubble. But I believe, you know, just a field where, you know, that’s where probiotics come into play, as well, they can reduce operative Gertrude tract infection. So just making sure that we can have a general baseline of well being because the woman can in any creative phases. And it’s something that people don’t talk about enough. And then what I found in clinical practice is that exercise, it’s a bit of a tough subject with epilepsy and exercise because some of the kids are able to, to do as much exercise or can potentially have some coordination issues and fine motor skill and, and coordination issues. Like I said, exercise is really important for reducing inflammation and oxidative stress as we know, and and modulate neuro transmitted diseases as well. So I believe that some sort of a manual therapy or occupational therapy should be really important to the management of seizures as well. So yes, it’s a suicide, even if it’s swimming, obviously, swimming is a bit of an issue because databases are controlled, you don’t want swimming in the water. But even if some sort of little athletics or or dancing something to create a model that can create a model like laundry, or as well, as, you know, giving them an advantage to the conference’s Well, not the gloom, you know, I may have made it out on true.

Yeah, absolutely. That’s really good. Really good tips. And I’m glad you addressed that as well, because you’re right, sometimes that does just get missed out. And I guess a last Well, the last question I really wanted to ask, well, second last question maybe was, what advice would you give to a parent listening who maybe has a child with epilepsy, and who wants to explore complementary medicine or Holistic Management Practices as part of their overall strategy? Where should they start?

Yeah, that’s a good question. So I would work with someone as he said, because it is complementary medicine, it doesn’t have to be all or nothing, you don’t just have to do antiepileptic medications. And you don’t just have to do you know ketogenic diet, you can do things together. And to help with the overwhelm, I would work we’ve someone so I look at a naturopath or nutritionist, or dietician, someone that knows medications and, and vitamins and minerals of therapy, that’s what I would do, I would have a look around and say, you know, what I can do for you. And even as, as you said earlier, start with just one change one, tweak that you could really help just manage, help manage the condition. But that would be my advice to work alongside someone, knowing that you don’t have to do one will be


I love it. That’s I totally, and I totally, totally agree. And I know Kate would agree as well. Now on that note, how and where can people actually find you? So I did mention at the beginning, but I just wanted to reiterate that you do you are in clinical practice at the moment, and you have to so and we do actually have an international audience. So we have listeners in New Zealand, the UK, the US, I don’t know where else, but they’re the ones that I’m aware of, and obviously, Australia or parts of Australia, so I know you obviously practice in person, but do you also offer Skype or what what how do you actually practice?

Absolutely. So what’s been really amazing about my journey with my family’s journey with epilepsy is that because I talk and write about epilepsy and different interventions and nutritional interventions, people come and find me, particularly people in regional Australia, Australia, country, Australia. So I can absolutely help people by Skype as well. Yes. So if you want to find me, the best place to find me is on your rentals. com delay you and you can send me an email and we can chat about how I can work with with with we families or parents. And again, you can go to my website and have a look at me see what I’ve written. There’s some great resources there that people can use even to just stop reading about what they can do. But yeah, I can absolutely help people online. But I’m in Brcko studio, you took studio hyphen, you.com. Today, you and I absolutely love working with these patients. And I know I can help people have better quality life.

Absolutely. And I’ve seen, I can be a testament that because I’ve seen Sonya working magic time and time again. And it’s not an area I specialize in, and hopefully won’t be forced into it at some stage in my life. Because I obviously, you know, I have my passions and whatnot. But, you know, it’s I think it’s so invaluable to see practitioners who are passionate about what they’re doing and are really, really have your best interest at heart. And as you know, particularly interested in the area that you are trying to get healthier, you know, get get healthy. And so please do contact Sonia, if you know anyone or you yourself need some help. So make sure you in, you know, share this information with your friends and your family as well. Now, so on before we wrap up my last question for you, which is totally non related to what we’ve been talking about, well, kind of right, what are your three non negotiable goals in your day to help you lead a happy and healthy life.

One of the things that I believe make me a happier person is the ability to be flexible, especially with kids. So you might have a routine that you have to do especially with, you know, cooking and cleaning and getting the kids to school and all that sort of stuff. And what I find is when I’m really rigid and inflexible, I can feel quite anxious. So my non negotiable is just trying to go with the flow. And this is what I’m trying to do now. Not training them perfect. But flexibility is one of the things. And how I do that is that my real non negotiable is that I meditate. I say daily, but I probably say five days a week, and that would be a guided meditation. I used to have a podcast app. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that one. Not yet. Yeah. And there’s lots of different practitioners giving guided meditations on anything, anything and everything. So I try and do that every day. Again, without being a perfectionist. You know, I probably say five, five times a week. So yeah. And lastly, the other non negotiable is walking, leading meditation training, I find that getting the kids in and out of the car and driving them here and going to work. So what I trying to get me out of my head is like, it’s like go for a walk. So for me, that’s a real non negotiable even if it’s just walking in the door. I’m a bet I’m dog sitting at the moment. So I’ve been walking the dog but you know, keep the like, we’re all like, we’re all like animal we all need to be wolf. So you know, go and get go and get your walk. And that’s when I feel good.

Natalie K. Douglas 39:40
I am glad no one puts me on a late though.

Sonya Reynolds 39:44
They got enjoy life. Enjoy.

All right. Well, Sonia, thank you so much for joining us. And I’ll make sure that we link to seniors website and social media channels in the show notes and also in the Instagram post that is going to go out relating to this podcast. Thanks for joining me on and have a lovely day.

Thanks, not the things about your joy. Thanks for letting me be part of your amazing world.

Natalie K. Douglas 40:16
You’re welcome. See you later.

Sonya Reynolds 40:19

Outro 40:20
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The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast - with Natalie K. Douglas and Kate Callaghan

Welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast!

If a professional, polished, well-edited podcast is what you’re after…then we’re not for you!

But if you love unfiltered banter, unedited bloopers and authentic heart sharing then we are your ladies.

We also have the most practical tips on holistic and alternative health care too 😉

Have a question that you want answered on the podcast or want to be interviewed? Get in touch!


Natalie K. Douglas | Thyroid Healer

Natalie K. Douglas | Thyroid Healer

Natalie K. Douglas ("Nat") is a Holistic Dietitian and Nutritionist dedicated to Thyroid, gut and hormone healing.

Nat shows stressed, burnt out, overwhelmed women how to value their worth again, change their mindset habits, prioritize healing, and reclaim their vitality. Guaranteed.

Her clients say she’s the right girl to see if you’ve tried the conventional approach and nothing has worked.

Kate Callaghan | The Holistic Nutritionist

Kate Callaghan | The Holistic Nutritionist

Kate Callaghan is a Holistic Nutritionist, Personal Trainer and Lifestyle Coach who specializes in women's hormone healing.

She recognizes that there is no “one size fits all” diet or “magic bullet” which is going to cure all illnesses.

She focuses on having a thorough understanding of your personal goals, needs, likes/dislikes, support networks and lifestyle in order to create a food and lifestyle approach that suits YOU.


Sonya Reynolds | Holistic Health Coach & Nutritionist

Sonya Reynolds | Holistic Health Coach & Nutritionist


Sonya is a passionate, down to earth and fun loving Nutritionist and Life Coach.

She loves working with Women and children, helping them to live their best lives via Nutrition and lifestyle coaching. She believes in PROGRESS over PERFECTION.

She has personally used food as therapy especially when her eldest daughter was not responding to her anti-epileptic medication. She believes in eating REAL food.

Sonya has also undertaken training in Theta healing , a meditative form of healing undertaken in a Theta state.


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