#35 Amino Acid Therapy, Neurotransmitters & "Foods for Moods"

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"The key to using Amino Acid Therapy to help stabilize or improve your moods is finding balance. These amino acids are the 'building blocks' for creating neurotransmitters, which are the chemical messengers that determine your mood and how you feel. That's why we talk about the gut-brain connection; what you eat literally determines how you feel."

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In Episode 35 of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast, Natalie Douglas and Kate Callaghan discuss the gut-brain connection, how to improve mood using Amino Acid Therapy, and foods that boost your mood.
  • What are neurotransmitters?
  • How are these neurotransmitters made
  • The key neurotransmitters and what they do
  • Foods are rich in amino acids
  • Other foods that can positively influence mood health
  • Foods that can negatively affect mood health and neurotransmitter balance
  • What is amino acid therapy? And how do you know if you should try it?
  • Are there any risks associated with self experimenting with amino acid therapy?
  • Essential Oils for mood health

Intro 0:00
Welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast where you’ll find the inspiration and answers to how you can become the healthiest, happiest version of you using whole food nutrition, smart supplementation, movement, and lifestyle hacks. Your host, Natalie Bourke and Kate Callaghan, a degree-qualified Dietitians and Nutritionists, certified fitness instructors, speakers, and authors with extensive knowledge and clinical experience in the wellness industry. So sit back and enjoy the show.

Natalie K. Douglas 0:41
Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. Kate, how are you?

Kate Callaghan 0:49
I am good. Thank you, Nat. How are you?

Natalie K. Douglas 0:52
I’m pretty good. I, I, oh, oh exciting news, everybody.

Kate Callaghan

Natalie K. Douglas
I just bought tickets to Celine Dion.

Kate Callaghan

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah, my heart can go on. I’m so excited.

Kate Callaghan
No, you did not just do that.

Natalie K. Douglas
Oh, I went there. I can’t wait to hear. Do you know, do you know, I’m just gonna cry. I’m just gonna cry for however many hours people perform these concerts.

Kate Callaghan 1:14
When is it from Celine?

Natalie K. Douglas 1:16
Um, July something, something 26, maybe. You should go. You should come.

Kate Callaghan
Go there?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes. It’s like literally I was sitting there with my phone and bone, my partner, Heidi’s friend as well, and Ticketek, kind of like they put you in a queue and then I got in with like, a minute before it was going on sale. And then I clicked it. And I was like, I was so nervous. And then 30 seconds later bone guardian and all the tickets that we wanted were gone. And by like, we wanted the cheaper ones. So they obviously went quite quickly. And I was just like, yes, I’m going with my brother and his girlfriend and his girlfriend’s friends. So I’m just, I’m super excited.

Kate Callaghan
It’s awesome.

Natalie K. Douglas
I haven’t been to a concert in so long. I think the last when I went to was Coldplay.

Kate Callaghan 2:02
I think the YouTube was the last one I went to. It was freaking awesome.

Natalie K. Douglas 2:05
Oh, everything good. Yeah. Anyway, that’s my most exciting news. Oh, and I’m also in the process of doing Yoga Teacher Training, hence, the very non-existence on social media. I’ve just had way too much to ponder on because Yoga Teacher Training is like, life coaching 101 and like, everyone you see just have so many things to just think about, and yeah, so apologies. Apologies, but I’ll be back eventually. I’m not going to tell anyone.

Kate Callaghan 2:36
Good to have a break.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
Cutting off for a week.

Natalie K. Douglas 2:40
Yeah. It’s nice. It’s very nice. Anyway, what’s been happening with you? Anything new?

Kate Callaghan 2:45
Oh, just surviving development two legs with Ed, you know, where you decide not to sleep that much and oh yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas 2:55
It’s just really thriving over there aren’t you?

Kate Callaghan 2:58
Thriving, actually a rainy, a cold rainy day today, which I don’t mind because Olivia’s in daycare. Insane, but I like cold rainy days.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
Wait. What’s happening in my world? Not much. Really. Just a bit of work. I’m running in the midst of running my Healing Hypothalamic Amenorrhea e-course round 4.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:21

Kate Callaghan 3:22
So that’s taking up a bit of a bit of my time. And we’re about to start building our house.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:29
Oh. Wow, that’s so exciting. How long is it going to take to build?

Kate Callaghan 3:33
Hopefully in about four months.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:35
Oh, wow. Wait, what’s that? That’s, oh. Anyway, I was going to you to say I’m going to be there in May, but it won’t be won’t be ready by then.

Kate Callaghan
No, no.

Natalie K. Douglas
Never mind. I’ll just have to come back.

Kate Callaghan 3:45
Yes, Yes, you will.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:48
Oh, that’s right. Well, that’s exciting. That’s great. That is a very adult of you. Well done.

Kate Callaghan 3:52
Yeah, I know.

Natalie K. Douglas 3:55
I built, I built like a chest of drawers the other day and that’s probably as close to building anything I’ve gotten for a while.

Kate Callaghan 4:00
That’s pretty cool. I am, I am not building my house myself.

Natalie K. Douglas
That’s true. You’re not. You’re not. I’m really glad that you’re not though. I feel like.

Kate Callaghan
Oh, my. I also like to make a three little pigs joke and then I realized wow. Have some adult time.

Natalie K. Douglas 4:23
Well, I would have, I would have laughed.

Kate Callaghan

Natalie K. Douglas
That’s okay. Anyway, on to today. What we’re actually talking about is not building houses or Celine Dion though, if someone would like us to about that on a podcast I’m happy too.

Kate Callaghan 4:33
Do you know it? I’m so close to like busting out some Celine Dion right now.

Natalie K. Douglas 4:41
Oh, same. Like, I’ve been listening to it all yesterday, and I dance to it as well like, just feels like a contemporary dance type of song that I just need to express myself and it’s just, it’s great. With or without an audience is fine by me. Anyway. So we’re talking about, well we kind of going to chat a little bit about food and mood and also amino acid therapy and what exactly it is and who’s it for? And what are the benefits. So I guess a good place to start with this one would be to discuss. We’ll give you guys a bit of an understanding about what makes mood. So in terms of actual chemicals in your body. What are we talking about when we’re talking about promoting mood health. So the first thing that comes to mind are little things called neurotransmitters. So these are basically chemical messengers that are produced in your body. And they allow nerve cells to communicate with each other and allow us to do many activities and contribute significantly to how we feel and how we act on a daily basis. So Kate in, I guess that’s a bit of a definition, you know, a broad definition of what they are, but how are they actually made in the body, these neurotransmitters?

Kate Callaghan 6:02
How they’re made? So, they are made in the body, obviously, from amino acids. So amino acids are the building blocks of different proteins. The key amino acids that we think about for the production of these neurotransmitters which we’re going to go to into a little bit more in a minute are things like your L-tryptophan and 5-HTP, which helped to produce serotonin and then L-Tyrosine and L-dopamine that produce dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine. So, protein, amino acids, essential for producing these neurotransmitters. So if you’re protein deficient, you’re going to have some mood issues, no doubt.

Natalie K. Douglas 6:40
Yeah. Awesome. And yeah, as Kate said, so there are, she mentioned a few of those key neurotransmitters in that little spiel there. So there’s, there are a few key ones I guess. So there’s, there’s a lot so there’s a large amount of neurotransmitters in the body. But there are a few key ones that I typically talked about in relation to mood health, which I think we’ll just briefly touch on. So that would include as Kate said, serotonin, dopamine, GABA, adrenaline and noradrenaline or epinephrine, norepinephrine, they’re are same same. Now it’s important to point out that these are nearly things that influence mood and there are lots of other neurotransmitters and interactions between them and between the gut. But a lot of that is just beyond what we kind of need to know practically right now. So in terms of the broadest categories that we can break neurotransmitters down into that is helpful to know would be the inhibitory neurotransmitters and the excitatory neurotransmitters, so inhibitory neurotransmitters, are those that actually kind of calm the brain, balance mood, but it also quite easily thrown out of balance with too many excitatory neurotransmitters around. So on the flip side, the excitatory neurotransmitters are more stimulatory. So, I guess that doesn’t actually mean you’re completely hyped up when you have these in your, in your system. That’s not quite how it works. It’s more that you know, they’re a bit of your get up and go alert type chemical messengers. So falling into the inhibitory category, we have serotonin and GABA and the excitatory category we have adrenaline and noradrenaline or epinephrine, and norepinephrine. And then we have dopamine, which is kind of both like, it’s probably easiest to describe in relation to focus, motivation, pleasure, those are probably the big things that dopamine is responsible for all these, I think of when I think of dopamine. And all of these, I guess with all of these, it’s not necessarily that one of them is better than the other, or more desirable than the other. It’s really about balance and finding balance within the neurotransmitters because you can imagine if you were completely like, you know, inhibitory, neurotransmitter dominated, it wouldn’t be a good thing. And likewise, if you just had heaves of excitatory neurotransmitters, it’s not going to, be a good thing either. So it’s really about when it comes to mood, it’s really about finding balance and creating a balance between them all. And as Kate said, amino acids, which come from protein, do actually contribute to helping with this. So to get a bit more specific, which kind of foods would be I guess, the richest source of amino acids? So we know that protein food, but do you have any particular examples of protein-rich foods that you like to encourage people to eat when they are struggling with mood health?

Kate Callaghan 9:46
Yeah, sure. So protein in general, because if it’s a complete protein, so animal-based protein, then you’re gonna get a lot of your amino acids or all of your amino acids from animal-based protein but it really depends on what’s going on. So if you’re, so you’re low in serotonin, which is kind of your happy hormone, you need to think about getting tryptophan into your diet, and the best sources of tryptophan, tryptophan are things like bananas, nutritional yeast, nuts for your non-animal proteins and then for your animal proteins would be turkey, beef, cheese. Just note that if you’re having those non-animal foods, you’re gonna have to have a lot more of them to get the amount of tryptophan that you need for the production of serotonin, serotonin but bananas are great especially before bed. I often tend to recommend people have a banana before bed if they have trouble with sleeping because that helps with the production. It provides tryptophan, it helps the production of serotonin, and then that converts to melatonin to help with sleep.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
So that’s for serotonin. If we’re talking about more of your catecholamines, so that dopamine, norepinephrine, adrenaline, then we want to look at tyrosine to increase these. So again, high protein foods, beef, fish, eggs, omega-3 is also wonderful it enhancing dopamine. There was a study that showed that taking omega-3 enhanced dopamine levels by 40%, which is pretty impressive. Just omega-3, it’s amazing. So, oily fish, sardines, salmon, mackerel, grass-fed meat. GABA, so your brain’s natural Valium, so it’s a mood enhancer. Taurine and glycine are the main amino acids that you want to get in your diet to produce enough GABA. So, glycine, if you want to go back a few podcasts ago where we spoke about collagen and gelatin, that’s going to be your best source of glycine, it’s a really teeny, tiny amino acid. Again, you’re going to find it in all of your animal-based proteins but it’s really rich in more of your gelatinous cuts of meat and things like your collagen in your gelatin. You’re offcut so to speak. And taurine sources, best sources of taurine would be your shellfish, duck meats, or red meats, chicken, and turkey. Anything to add there?

Natalie K. Douglas 12:09
Awesome. No. I just want to really, like give a shout out to the way you just said enhancement. I love it. Enhancement.

Kate Callaghan 12:16
I am no longer Australian.

Natalie K. Douglas 12:21
It enhanced me. Anyway, sorry. I’ll stop, I’ll stop talking about that. And also…

Kate Callaghan 12:23
I think you’re taking the piss out of my accent last time.

Natalie K. Douglas 12:27
Yeah. Probably. I really loved it.

Kate Callaghan 12:28
But it’s the last night, I was giving a talk and a bunch of Kiwis here and I had to fill my water bottle up and I was at a school they said is there a bubbler here? No, what the F is a bubbler? It’s a water fountain by the way. I don’t know why we call it a bubbler. Just like I don’t know why slide slippery tips.

Natalie K. Douglas 12:47
But it’s not like, like when you say water fountain. I just picture like a huge, like you want to go in.

Kate Callaghan
A waterfall?

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah. I can’t fill that it’s like. Yeah, you’re going to have a trek a little bit to get there.

Kate Callaghan
Or you could just have a little bubbler.

Natalie K. Douglas
Oh, that’s funny. I remember bubblers. I remember like in primary school, it was really uncool to drink out of them because they were quote-unquote dirty. And so I was, it’s always like really so conscious of like just being seen drinking out of the bubbler. I was like, oh my God, everyone’s going to think I’m dirty. Anyway, whatever. I did it anyway. Rebel.

Kate Callaghan 13:25

Natalie K. Douglas 13:26
Thirsty, rebel. Anyway, I actually I did want to add something. So, I really liked the recommendation that you mentioned about having some banana before bed. And recently I’ve been making like, I’ve just been cutting up a frozen banana and putting it in my blender with a little bit of either cinnamon. A set will usually cinnamon essential oil by doTERRA and also putting in a little bit of salt and gelatin or collagen sorry, not gelatin, like collagen that it dissolves and having like a little banana ice cream. And then I do put a little bit of peanut butter on top. And it’s so delicious.

Kate Callaghan

Natalie K. Douglas
Anyway, I just thought I’d share that with everybody in case they wanted to have something exciting for dessert.

Kate Callaghan

Natalie K. Douglas
Yes. So, now, I think you covered all of that off perfectly. I just wanted to mention that there are also other foods that can positively influence your mood, we weren’t going to a great detail because really, we want to talk about kind of amino acid therapy after this as well. But probiotic-rich foods are always going to be a benefit and they play a key role in neurological or brain health as well. And we’ve spoken about it before on the show about the kind of gut-brain access, which basically is just acknowledging the connection and relationship between the gut and the brain and how the gut does in fact influence the brain and vice versa. And there’s lots and lots of research to back this up, of course to particularly around depression, and some other foods would be turmeric or more specifically curcumin. And you know, it’s great to include turmeric in your cooking and whatnot. But if you’re trying to I guess have a therapeutic intervention you would need to take a curcumin supplement. Other things would be zinc-rich food so oysters, meat, nut, seeds, etc. foods rich in B vitamins so you’d be getting those through eating what Kate said in terms of the animal protein. They’re still present in plant-based foods as well but just to a lesser degree. And fatty fish as Kate mentioned would be the final one which is reaching those, long-chain omega-3 so, EPA and DHA. Now that’s kind of the, what should you do of foods in relation to mood health but Kate did you want to just touch on very briefly foods that can really negatively impact or affect mood health in neurotransmitter balance?

Kate Callaghan 15:59
Sure. Now, I have my cat here just being a menace. So I’m sorry if you hear a random cat in the background.

Natalie K. Douglas 16:06
That’s alright. I’m just going to assume it was you.

Kate Callaghan 16:08
I’d like to randomly meow every now and then.

Natalie K. Douglas 16:11
Look, you’re free to be whatever you want on this podcast.

Kate Callaghan 16:15
Oh, thanks. Thanks.

Natalie K. Douglas
No, worries.

Kate Callaghan
Okay, so all right going through them. So foods that deplete serotonin and more of your things like caffeine, alcohol, your artificial sweeteners. So, artificial sweeteners actually compete with tryptophan for the production of serotonin. So that’s really a big thing that you want to avoid things like your aspartame, sucralose, all of those dodgy artificial sweeteners, low-calorie diets are going to reduce the production of any kind of neurotransmitters. You’re just being a menace now. Sorry.

Natalie K. Douglas
All of you out there listening. Stop it.

Kate Callaghan 16:50
Low-calorie diets and low-protein diet. As I said, at the start, are going to reduce all of the available amino acids to produce all of these neurotransmitters so if you’re not eating enough, that’s going to negatively affect your mood. So think about that. If you’re not getting enough sunlight, serotonin is going to be depleted. Other things, stress, stress is going to deplete pretty much all of your neurotransmitters, it’s gonna be a huge negative impact and we’re about to stress a lot because it’s so important. Exercise as well, so this is an interesting thing. Exercise breaks down proteins to release into the bloodstream to go to the muscles as amino acids but tryptophan doesn’t get absorbed. So exercise actually increases tryptophan to the brain which increases serotonin. Sorry, I know we’re talking about ones that negatively but I just forgot to add that.

Natalie K. Douglas 17:41
No, I like that. You’re just keeping people on their toes.

Kate Callaghan 17:45
And we also need to think about co-factors for producing neurotransmitters so calcium, magnesium, vitamin D, B vitamins. The catecholamines, dopamine, norepinephrine, adrenaline, if you’re low on those, you’re going to want to be reaching for the things that are actually going to deplete it so stimulants but try not to if possible.

Natalie K. Douglas 18:12
So, do you want to give us an example of a good stimulant of choice like what do you mean by stimulants?

Kate Callaghan 18:18
Not cocaine. Not weeds.

Natalie K. Douglas
Good. That’s what I was going for.

Kate Callaghan
Don’t be taking drugs, please. Oh, wow. So caffeine, is the main stimulant or sugar people usually reach for their to pick themselves up. Try not to reach for those if your catecholamines are depleted thing, you need to look at the adrenal support. Again, they’re drained by stress. Low-calorie or high-carb diets that are also protein-deficient again, are going to be depleting these neurotransmitters. And if you’re eating more sweets, refined, carbs, sugars, less of the amino acids that you have in your body are going to get to your brain to produce these neurotransmitters. And that’s because these refined carbs they’re causing insulin spike, and that sweeps the amino acids out of the bloodstream and into the muscles, rather than going to the brain where they’re required to make these neurotransmitters. Okay.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
Interesting fact. And I think a lot of people, a lot of women who are listening to this, especially if they are dealing with hypothalamic amenorrhea and have low estrogen or if they’re in postmenopause. So when estrogen is too low, that’s going to fail to stimulate this catecholamine production and that can trigger symptoms of low catecholamines. Interesting. And again, GABA depleted by stress and low-protein diets.

Natalie K. Douglas 19:47
Yeah, I definitely have had experienced that situation when I had hypothalamic amenorrhea, so I, I can be a very practical example of yes, that’s what happens. So definitely important to remember that that the amino acids do play a key role in trying to help that side of things as well. Now moving on Kate, to amino acid therapy. So I thought we’d discuss maybe what it is, and how you know if you should actually try it. So I think, in its simplest to like, simplest explanation is just giving someone amino acid precursors, which encouraged the body or give the body the building blocks to produce the relevant neurotransmitters. So, an example, maybe in someone who is showing signs of low serotonin, you could potentially use some tryptophan or 5-HTP. Everyone responds differently but the general idea is that tryptophan is a precursor to 5-HTP and then serotonin, in terms of knowing if or how you should try it. My personal opinion is that I would say, like, do your best to know the basics of food, movement, stress, sleep, those kinds of things first, and if you’re still finding that you’re having issues and if things aren’t improving, then I actually think it is best to work with a practitioner to identify which neurotransmitters may actually below and be low, and perhaps come up with an individualized protocol for you. I, I’m not a huge fan of just kind of self-prescribing these kind of things, just because it’s, it’s easy to supplement with one thing and throw another thing off. So I think that it is best to work with someone who knows what they’re talking about. But definitely doing the food therapy stuff by yourself is a really good place to start. But you know, in saying that there are the practitioners that recommend other things in terms of doing the amino acid therapy, on your own accord, but that’s just my opinion. Kate, do you have any take on that whether you agree or disagree or you have experienced something different? What’s, what’s your thoughts around that?

Kate Callaghan 22:13
Yeah, I agree, I think it’s probably not the best idea to self-prescribe. Because even though it’s natural, and the negative side effects are low, that doesn’t mean they’re non-existent. So for example, if you do suffer from depression, and you’re on antidepressant medications, you shouldn’t simultaneously take 5-HTP, because you can risk something called serotonin syndrome, which is serotonin that’s too high, which will give you the symptoms of low serotonin. So, if you want to look at so 5-HTP therapy, to potentially get off your medications, you really, really need to work with a doctor on that one and wean off the antidepressants as you slowly increased the 5-HTP. And there’s a lot of research around how beneficial they are in terms of the 5-HTP use, as compared to things like Prozac. 5-HTP is actually shown to be more beneficial. So definitely, definitely work with your practitioner and do not just stop your antidepressant medications right away. Please do not stop that. But yeah, work with someone who knows what’s going on. I personally have used amino acid therapy. So when I was pregnant with Ed, I experienced a little bit of perinatal depression. And I spoke to my doctor. So I’ve done a fair bit of reading about amino acid therapy, but I always spoke to my doctor about his thoughts on it, and if it was safe, and his opinion, and to get dosage of advice, so I did take some 5-HTP during pregnancy, and I have had it a bit post-pregnancy as well. Because last time I am with Olivia, I did get some postnatal depression, I have found it hugely beneficial to my mood. I’ve also personally and professionally used L-tyrosine to help with thyroid function.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
Which is, it’s pretty cool. I have had a couple of clients who felt unbelievable, just from tyrosine introduction when they’ve got thyroid issues.

Natalie K. Douglas 24:16
Yeah, I know that they’re really good points tonight. And I’ll just add to that, in saying that, on the note of, of weaning off antidepressants and using amino acid therapy, it is like, I just want to reiterate how important it is to actually work with a practitioner, and also to have a support network around you. Because I know that I’ve been part of helping people come off antidepressants and using amino acid therapy, in conjunction, like I’ve consulted with their doctor as well and we’ve come up with a plan to wean someone off the antidepressants and use amino acid therapy to help with that. But it’s really important to recognize and to acknowledge that, although it’s possible, it’s definitely possible and it can be done with help, it’s really important to recognize that it’s not easy. So, especially if you’ve been on antidepressants for quite a long time, or quite high doses, coming off them can be quite a rocky road. And you need to make sure that you’ve got the emotional support and also support in the way of what to do with food and amino acids and all that kind of stuff and medication and not just trying to go it alone because it is yeah, it’s a tough process to go through. But don’t let that scare you off doing it if that’s something that you want to do. Because I’ve seen many, many people come off antidepressants successfully, and not need to go back on them with changes to diet and supplementation. But it hasn’t been without emotional support around them as well. And that’s what I wanted to add. But on a different note, Kate, are there any kind of essential oils that can be used to help with mood? Are there any that you use for yourself or use with clients or just know about that could be beneficial for people if they have some essential oils at home or are interested in purchasing some?

Kate Callaghan 26:19
Yeah, definitely, there’s a lot. So essential oils basically work to elevate the mood by triggering the limbic system. So the limbic system registers that pleasure, pain, danger, or safety, and then it creates a bit of an emotional response, which includes feelings of fear, anger, depression, and anxiety. So when we smell things, that goes straight to the limbic system and has this effect. So, these essential oils, these volatile aromatic compounds, they keep that system and are really quite beneficial. And there’s a number of oils that you can use. But the main ones that I like to use depending on what’s going on. Frankincense is number one to nourish your brain health in general. But it’s also really great for anxiety and depression. Really, really wonderful. There’s a lot of research around bergamot and other citrus oils as uplifting. So bergamot, especially for anxiety, but more of your lemon and orange for depression. Vetiver is one of my favorite essential oils, I call it my valium.

Natalie K. Douglas
I love vetiver.

Kate Callaghan
And I know other people has. Freaking amazing.

Natalie K. Douglas 27:26
But it takes so long to come out of the damn bottle and like, come on, I need you.

Kate Callaghan 27:31
Olivia, Olivia grabbed my vetiver yesterday and threw it and it went down the back of Ed’s cloth which is like kind of jammed up with another bedding.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
I got so mad like, oh my God, my vetiver. We decided to pull apart the bed bedroom to get to my vetiver because it’s my savior in the middle of the night when I can’t get back to sleep. But it is an incredibly calming essential oil and really, really wonderful for supporting anyone who deals with the anxiety. It’s amazing. I can’t speak highly enough of it. Lavender also really great for anxiety for I know the other ones for depression would be ylang-ylang, frankincense, as I said, any adrenal issues. So, there are catecholamines depleted, then you want to look at things like rosemary, basil, clove, and a clary sage for women. doTERRA also have some really great mood management oils. So, they’ve got one called citrus bliss, which is your uplifting one, elevation, which is a joyful one, serenity, which is more calming. If you’re more stressed, then there’s one called aroma touch. If you’re lacking concentration or if you’re not feeling grounded, then balance grounding blend, or intune focus blend. The world’s your oyster really, there’s many.

Natalie K. Douglas 28:50
That’s awesome. And oysters are rich in zinc, which all together now helps with mood health. Sorry. I just.

Kate Callaghan 28:56
Everything random it is. We’re talking about essentials and oysters.

Natalie K. Douglas 29:02
I thought we were just going with the thing with keeping and run on their tummies.

Kate Callaghan 29:08

Natalie K. Douglas 29:09
Anyway, No, that was. Sorry to take away from your essential oil spiel.

Kate Callaghan
No, that’s all right.

Natalie K. Douglas
That is really helpful to know. And yeah, I use some of those blends, and I love them. And I also love vetiver like you. Snd the lavender, I often, you know, at the end of the day, when you’ve you’ve kind of had quite a busy day, and you’ve been quite I guess, stimulated that whole time and you only have a short amount of time to kind of calm down and get ready for bed and get and drop into that space where you can actually relax, I find diffusing lavender, even just in the laundry room or in the bedroom or both, is really helpful for starting that process to happen a lot quicker than it would if I didn’t have any of that kind of diffusing in the air. So I think that they’re all really good ideas. And I love having some of those oil blends just on hand too. I usually apply them as I would like a perfume kind of thing. If I’m having, you know, whatever kind of day I’m having. Whatever I need, I’ve used one of those to apply as a perfume, they smell good. And they’re obviously going to help to either calm you down or help you lift up a little bit, which is really, it’s a really nice option to having something that is obviously doing no harm and only having a positive benefit.

Kate Callaghan 30:25
Absolutely. But yeah, to oysters.

Natalie K. Douglas 30:28
Yeah, I actually don’t like oysters to be honest.

Kate Callaghan
I’m highly allergic to oysters.

Natalie K. Douglas
Oh, that’s fabulous. Yeah. I, I just don’t.

Kate Callaghan
Like always did.

Natalie K. Douglas
Yeah, they are great for you. I just.

Kate Callaghan
They’re a superfood.

Natalie K. Douglas
I just cant, I can’t deal with. I feel like I just missed, like, I love eating. I love food in case you didn’t know. And I feel like everyone’s just like just love the oyster. But then I feel like I can’t register the experience of eating it. So I just feel like I’m being too fed or something and it’s just not. It’s not enjoyable. So anyway, or I, the other thing I kind of get is like I feel like I’ve just swallowed a big gulp of ocean water and it doesn’t feel great. Anyway, on that note, everyone you should eat oysters if you love oysters. They are a very good source of zinc. And on that note, Kate, anything else you wanted to kind of add before we wrap up this podcast on amino acid therapy and mood health?

Kate Callaghan 31:32
Yes, actually. After, I have a brain fart moment. I’m going to be in Sydney in a couple of weeks. I went actually running an introduction to essential oils workshop on Thursday, the eighth of March. There’s one at 10 and 2, I believe.

Natalie K. Douglas 31:53
Oh, my God. Stop. Stop. You just said tin.

Kate Callaghan 31:55
I did not. I did not. Shut up. I said, I said, ten. Shut up.

Natalie K. Douglas 32:00
Everybody that’s 10 o’clock for those in Australia.

Kate Callaghan 32:04
Shut up. I said 10.

Natalie K. Douglas 32:07
Okay, 10 o’clock and 2 o’clock. Sorry, whereabouts, are they?.

Kate Callaghan 32:08
They’re going to be at Darlinghurst.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan
So and numbers are limited. I only have three tickets for each. So if you are interested, please shoot me an email ASAP, [email protected]

Natalie K. Douglas 32:23
Excellent. All right. Well, I don’t actually have anything to add today. So we…

Kate Callaghan
You’ve said enough.

Natalie K. Douglas
I have quite said enough. So we might wrap it up there. We will chat to you all in a couple of weeks’ time. Kate, have a lovely day.

Kate Callaghan
You too.

Natalie K. Douglas

Kate Callaghan

Outro 32:41
Thanks for tuning in to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. Remember, we love to make the show relevant to you. So, if you have any questions or topics you’d like discussed on the show, simply submit them to [email protected] or [email protected] and we’ll get them answered for you. Also, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast on iTunes and share it with your friends and family too. Need more personalized nutrition advice? Why not invest in a consultation to accelerate your journey to your optimal health. You can find Nat over at HealthByWholefoods.com.au and Kate at TheHolisticNutritionist.com. See you next time guys.


The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast - with Natalie K. Douglas and Kate Callaghan

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Natalie K. Douglas | Thyroid Healer

Natalie K. Douglas | Thyroid Healer

Natalie K. Douglas shows women with Thyroid problems how to heal themselves in less than 30 minutes a day. Guaranteed.

Over the past decade, she's helped treat over 10,000 Australian women, trained more than 5,000 health practitioners.

Her clients say she’s the right girl to see if you’ve tried the conventional approach and nothing has worked.

Kate Callaghan | The Holistic Nutritionist

Kate Callaghan | The Holistic Nutritionist

Kate Callaghan is a Holistic Nutritionist, Personal Trainer and Lifestyle Coach who specializes in women's hormone healing.

She recognizes that there is no “one size fits all” diet or “magic bullet” which is going to cure all illnesses.

She focuses on having a thorough understanding of your personal goals, needs, likes/dislikes, support networks and lifestyle in order to create a food and lifestyle approach that suits YOU.


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