In this first episode Kate and Nat delve into the world of hypothalamic amenorrhea (HA). They let you in on their individual healing journeys and provide you with strategies to begin fixing your hormones, restoring fertility and building a healthy relationship with food and your body.

• Welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast
• Nat’s personal health journey
• Kate’s personal health journey
• Fixing your hormones
• Restoring fertility
• Building a healthy relationship with food and your body
• Healing Hypothalamic Amenorrhea

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Natalie K. Douglas  0:01  

Hello and welcome to The Holistic Nutritionists Podcast. My name is Natalie Bourke, holistic dietitian and nutritionist from Health By Whole Foods and online nutrition consulting business specializing in gut health, adrenal fatigue and empowering women to build a healthy relationship with food and their body. Before I get my lovely co host Kate to introduce herself, I need to read out a little disclaimer. The advice given in this podcast is not intended to provide medical advice or to take the place of medical advice or treatment from your primary health care physician. The facts and information offered based on a combination of scientific evidence, clinical practice, experience, and personal personal experience. All right, Kate, now that that important part is over, tell us who Kate Callaghan is for anyone listening who doesn’t know or hasn’t met yet. That was a very professional introduction. Thanks, Nat. Thank you.

Kate Callaghan  0:54  

I am Kate Callahan. I am also a holistic dietitian and nutritionist. I am also putting so Trina and a mother of one crazy little girl. I run the holistic nutritionist.com and I specialize in women’s hormonal issues, specifically around fertility. And having experienced my own whole middle infertility issues and managing to heal myself naturally. I’m really passionate about healing women’s hormones, and fast tracking them to health, happiness and hotness which might not be the aesthetic version but an all around hotness through nutrient dense foods, rejuvenating movement, unconditional self love and mindful and sustainable practices. I’m also the author of the book holistic nutrition, eat well trained, smart and become a body. That was kind of an afterthought, because I only got it in the mail yesterday.

Natalie K. Douglas  1:41  

I know right? So exciting. And your ebook is amazing. Oh, thank you, Kelly area, I’ve read it at least three times. All right. Speaking of hypersonic Seminerio, we’re actually going to be focusing on that today. So this is a topic that’s really close to both of us Hotz, we’re probably going to shorten it to HA because anyone who has to say hypothermic and Maria, in the space of five minutes more than once he’s going to struggle, including me. So yeah, as I said, we’ve both experienced this, and we’ve both healed ourselves from it. So we’ve used you know, lots of different tricks and tools and crazy antics that, well, some worked and some didn’t. Probably the ones that worked best was sleeping and eating enough food personally. And today, we’re going to share with you our personal journey so you can understand where we’ve come from and, and how we got through and where a lot of our passion comes from for this area of health. Before we do that, though, I think it’s probably important that we give you a bit of a definition of HJ. So Kate, could you give us

Kate Callaghan  2:46  

a bit of a definition? I would love to. So the simplest way to explain what HA is hypothalamic Amun area. That’s the last time I’ll say that. HA is basically when your brain stops communicating to your ovaries. And your hypothalamus is in your brain and it stops sending signals to your ovaries to produce a healthy menstrual cycle and ovulation. And this can occur for a number of reasons under eating over exercising too much psychological stress and taking the oral contraceptive pill, like an old cause issues with the communication there. And he is also a bit of a diagnosis of exclusion. So basically what that means is everything else that could potentially be causing you to not have a period is ruled out. So that can be things like polycystic ovarian syndrome, or thyroid issues, iron overload pregnancy, obviously, you should probably always get that one clear. Make sure that you’re not actually pregnant. And then structural issues as well. Great. Hey, cheat in a nutshell.

Natalie K. Douglas  3:49  

That was a very, very good nutshell. I haven’t heard it explained that Well, before. So well done. It’s not an easy condition to explain, considering it’s barely recognized. Yes, it’s something it’s, you know, the last thing doctors label it as. And I’m I know, I mean, I know your story. But I know that everyone else might not know your story. So I think that it’s really important that we give everyone a bit of an idea of your journey, because it was a long one. And you’ve clearly come out the other side with a beautiful little girl. So her name is Olivia, and she has Instagram, right?

Kate Callaghan  4:26  

That wasn’t meant to be her Instagram, was meant to be more of an Instagram account to kind of share healthy baby food recipes and healthy baby products and two and wearing two of the wrong shoes. Oh my goodness. And it’s, which is I don’t want it to be that. And my best friend said to me she is once Olivia have her own Instagram account. So I’m going to read off the baby spam, and it’s going to be more helpful thing.

Natalie K. Douglas  4:53  

Well, she’s adorable. And she’s a very, very healthy little happy baby as far as I can see. Anyway, back to your story. So tell us when it all start for you.

Kate Callaghan  5:07  

Where did it all start? Okay, so I started working in the health and fitness industry maybe about 17 years ago, I’m not going to give you a blow by blow for the last 17 years. And but again, I’m going to try and keep this trim in a little nutshell. So I was a great fitness instructor. And I did a lot a lot of exercise. So I sometimes I’ll teaching up to 16 classes a week, which is a lot and all be kind of high intensity, aerobic cardio activity, I was really, really lean, my body fat percentage was about 13%. So my abs were very clear, I had an eight pack, not just a six pack and eight pack. I believe your nickname was abs. And the name was ad so I’d be going out to nightclubs with my friends. And they introduce me. And they’d say this is Kate feel her abs. It was really weird.

Natalie K. Douglas  6:00  

That’s a lot of pressure to strangers would feel my ads. Yeah,

Kate Callaghan  6:03  

yeah. Anyway. So I was very, very lean. And I was also on the pill this whole time. So I had a bleed. It wasn’t a real bleed, you don’t get a real bleed on the pill. But I had a bleed up until up until 2010 ish, when I decided to go off the pill, or maybe a little bit later than that and lose track of time when you know, right. And so it all kind of culminated was actually while I was at university, that I decided to go off the pill. And I didn’t get a cycle back, my period didn’t come back after I went off the pill at all. And it’s normal for to take some time after you’re off the pill for your period to come back. But my just didn’t come back. And that was because I was too lean. And because I was doing too much exercise. I wasn’t eating enough. I was eating really good food. I was eating an ancestral diet, but I just wasn’t eating enough. It was a really high fat version of an ancestral diet, which subsequently meant it was also low carb. And when you’re doing a low carb diet and a lot of exercise, and you’re a lot of have a lot of stress in your life. That’s just a recipe for disaster. Yeah. And look, we went through uni together and it was not an easy course. So that was an added stress as well. Exactly, exactly. So I had all this stress going on, and I wasn’t nourishing myself properly. And so yeah, I wasn’t I was in fertile and I had a Dixit scan as well. And my bone health was really suffering as a result of not nourishing myself properly and not having those adequate estrogen levels that you get when you’re when you have a healthy or military menstrual cycle. So that was really scary. But at the time, my husband and I wanted to start trying for kids. And I went to the doctor and I was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome, which I didn’t have. And they told me that but I wouldn’t be able to fall pregnant naturally. And I am really stubborn.

Natalie K. Douglas  8:05  

Yeah, sorry.

Kate Callaghan  8:07  

I didn’t ask you to.

Thank you, facilitator. So when someone says to me, you can’t I say, watch me. So then I dug into the research and figured out what I needed to do to heal myself from HJ, which is eat more exercise less managing stress. And which is very much easier said than done. But I was stubborn, and I dug in my heels and said I can do this. And so I started to take on board all of the things that I needed to do. And changing my life being consistent with those changes, gaining body fat, saying goodbye to my abs, and cutting down a lot of exercise, eating a lot more and really nourishing myself and being kind to myself. And after I started making those changes about seven months later. Got my period back.

Natalie K. Douglas  9:02  

And when Where were you when you got your period back? Will you? Will you away? Or were you still in Sydney?

Kate Callaghan  9:09  

Do you know what? Okay, so the first period I got back was actually for four or five months after I started making the changes. Yeah, I was actually in Broome, on my placement for diabetics. Yeah, I was in the middle of nowhere. And hopefully, if you’ve been to Broome or outback Australia, I was in the middle of nowhere. And I was with my dietetic supervisor. I’m so excited. So I’m gonna go Don’t go my period. And she’s like, cool. No, you don’t understand this. Okay. All right, is that it was very exciting. But then some broom is basically heaven on earth. Yeah. Then when I went back to Sydney, it disappeared again, for a few months, which was not surprising, because my life in Sydney was very high stress. And then we A few months later, we moved to New Zealand, Monica and then came back and took a little bit longer for it to be regular. Yeah. And then I fell pregnant. Maybe almost a year, it would have been almost a year after my cycles came back.

Natalie K. Douglas  10:15  

Gosh, that would have been so exciting. What did you do like three or four pregnancy test just to make sure that

Kate Callaghan  10:20  

you are seeing the real thing? I did too, because I only had two with me. Well, fair enough. Yes, I was very excited. Very, very excited. Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas  10:30  

What do you feel like was the hardest part with with all of that healing? Because I know as you said, it does. It sounds so simple, to some people to you know, just exercise less and just eat more. But when you’ve really developed a bit of a, I guess, an identity identity around being that person that does so much exercise and you know, has an eight pack? How, like, was it difficult to let go of that?

Kate Callaghan  10:56  

That was the hardest part? Absolutely. Yeah. Because I did have that I did state. And when I was teaching classes, I would have people coming up to me saying I want your body you have the ideal body. How do I how do I look like you? And it saddens me that I perpetuated that look as helpful. And now that I look back, yeah. But yeah, that was the hardest part, giving up that and coming to realize that I wasn’t my body. I was a person and I was a nice person. And I had the traits that were likable, and then my body And that my friends was still going to love me, no matter what I looked like. And if they didn’t, then they went my friend. But it was it was absolutely hard. Yeah.

Natalie K. Douglas  11:39  

Yeah, definitely. And look, I remember being actually being on placement with Kate. And we were and I wasn’t quite where Kate was at yet as in. I wasn’t, as you know, convinced that I needed to do something about it all and I was still exercising it ridiculous o’clock in the morning doing sprints. And you know, I’d come into working I’d asked Kate what she did. And she’d be like, Oh, I just did a bit of a Tabata. And I was I wasn’t, I was like inspired by the fact that you had the restraint to just do that in in when I was in such a different headspace. And you are definitely one of the big contributors contributors to me being like, all right, Natalie, so issued out and stop running everywhere.

Kate Callaghan  12:26  

But, but everyone does have to find their own time. And when they ready to make those changes that will make those changes.

Natalie K. Douglas  12:33  

Yeah, definitely. And I found that a lot with clients that you can’t force someone to be there any faster than they are, you’ve just got to kind of nudge them in the right direction and feed them the information and the and the tips and tricks and whatnot that they’re ready to receive. But really, as as you kind of have said that it’s not just a one, a one thing will fix everything, you can’t just eat more, but not reduce your exercise or you can’t just, you know, make one change and ignore sleep and stress management and all these other things because it won’t work. And I know that you probably like me, you tried taking a lot of supplements and as well to try and kind of Band Aid solution everything and while you know, I would I will admit that a lot of supplements were helpful. They definitely weren’t. Why I got my period back. No, I spent thousands of dollars on heads and supplements and remedies and so much I remember sitting in my living room and my mom’s partner did Reiki on me and I didn’t even know what it was that they like, he just said it might help. So I sat there and like,

why not very close, it was a bit awkward.

It didn’t quite help but

Kate Callaghan  13:46  

you know, nothing against Reiki Reiki

Natalie K. Douglas  13:48  

or right place. But Reiki with someone who’s not qualified in Reiki was no. Okay. quite the same. This kind of just had somebody me copying my pelvis. Okay. Anyway, there was lots of other things I tried acupuncture worked very well, for me.

Kate Callaghan  14:10  

Acupuncture was I think it was forced meditation for me, which was good.

Natalie K. Douglas  14:14  

Yeah, yes, definitely. So how

Kate Callaghan  14:16  

about how about you tell us your story without shame?

Natalie K. Douglas  14:19  

Yeah, well, I guess mine was, you know, not all that different to yours in that I underwrite I overexercise significantly, I wasn’t a fitness instructor, but I might as well have been, I was at the gym just as much as, as they were and did multiple classes a day. And, you know, to the point where I remember there was my, my weekly Saturday routine was absolutely ridiculous. In fact, it was more exercise in a day than I probably doing two weeks now I used to run half an hour to boxing, do kickboxing for an hour and a half run home for half an hour, go to the sand dunes for you know, 20 to 30 minutes, come hard, ate something really not substantial, and then go and lift weights. And then I’d feel like all right, I’ve done enough for today. And you know, the amount of stress that that put on my body. And I really was just like mind over matter, like, my body did not feel good. But I was just so determined that this was what I had to get through in order to, you know, quote, unquote, earn my food or earn my body or all that ridiculous stuff that gets thrown around in the inspiration world. So that was kind of the extent to which I was exercising. And look, what happened was, I basically didn’t have a period from age 14 to, I’d say, about 20. So I didn’t have a period, not even a pill induced period. For that time. And I, I got a bone scan when I was 18. And like you I had, you know, low bone mineral density, and look at the time, it didn’t bother me. And that’s like, that’s the scary truth. It also didn’t bother me that I didn’t have a period I you know, I kind of soul not having my period as an indication that okay, cool, I must be doing something right. Because I know, I knew that girls with higher with really low body fat percent, probably didn’t get their periods. So I thought sweet, you know, I’m doing well, I’m on the right track. And eventually, my body stopped working basically. So I ended up with all these all these pain throughout my body. So my back in my neck, and I actually couldn’t walk more than like 10 meters down the street without a lot of pain in my body. And I was sleeping with a neck brace at night, and I had all these different physicians, you know, specialists look at my spine and all that kind of stuff. And there was nothing, absolutely nothing structurally wrong. Anyway, I ended up in an endocrinologist office, and I was depressed at the time. And he said, you know, I’ll give you some antidepressants. And also I want to put you on hormone replacement therapy. And I was pretty desperate at the side, I you know, I was feeling really, really low, I was scared that I’d never be able to, you know, walk very far again. So I took them both and within a few days actually my pain went away and it wasn’t the I stopped taking the antidepressants pretty much after a week which I wouldn’t recommend just coming off cold turkey but not that’s the truth. That’s what I did and get the having hormones given to me actually helped and you know, I I don’t regret taking the HRT because it did relieve a lot of my my menopause like symptoms at the time, which were, you know, muscle aches, night sweats, depression, dry skin, sleeping difficulties, irritability, thought it was a band aid solution, and it’s it’s definitely not where I would stop

Kate Callaghan  18:00  

taking that well, when we’re at uni. Yes. In the holidays and one university

Natalie K. Douglas  18:05  

classes. So yeah,

Kate Callaghan  18:07  

okay, this is gonna be way off track. Funny story. So when he came back to university and because you so small, yeah. I think that’s had a boob job. Someone said that to me at the gym as well. Yeah. You had the most amazing rooms.

Natalie K. Douglas  18:25  

So far, it’s really, it was so strange having no boobs, and then just having so many boobs. Only two boobs, everybody. But they grew so fast. Anyway, that was a positive of getting my hormones back on track. Anyway, back to my

Kate Callaghan  18:45  

story. It is a very serious,

Natalie K. Douglas  18:47  

you’re forgiven? We have to talk about the pros. Right, exactly. So yeah, I ended up on the hormone replacement therapy, a lot of my pain went away. A few other consequences, just backtracking a bit was it I had no immune system, and I ended up getting two parasite infections back to back. And for anyone who’s had a parasite infection, they are horrible. And I had no idea what was going on. And, you know, it took a long time to figure it out. And it took a long time to heal that as well. But it kind of it was just a whole #### storm of horrible things happening in my body. And it all stemmed from just not nourishing my body enough. But in saying that I did, I did come out the other side. So I got rid of the parasites, I healed my gut, I you know, increased my calories from nutrient dense sources, I started exercising a lot less, I started managing my stress and prioritizing sleep. And, you know, I did a bit of a clean out of any friends or environments that weren’t conducive to my healing. And I tried herbal supplementation as well, which actually helped quite a bit, and actually acupuncture. And I did get my period back. And it took, I’d say it took a good, you know, year or two, probably about a year with everything that was going on, to get my first period back. And it probably took another couple of months for that to become regular. But now I do and have had a regular period for quite a while now. And, you know, I I definitely have had ups and downs along the way, because it’s not, it’s not an easy thing. Like you, Kate, I had a bit of an identity around being the fifth person being the skinny person. And, you know, when all that was kind of taken away from me, I was kind of forced to be like, well, crap, I hope we can swear on this. But anyway.

So I, you know, I was like, you know, I I don’t know who I am we that this person that exercises exercises so much. And I had to really discover that again, and it took took a long time. And it took a lot of perseverance through. You know, the days when you do feel, you know, quote unquote, fat or bloated in a way because you’re not used to actually fueling your body with energy and you mistake that feeling of energy for a feeling of I’ve eaten too much. And it’s really quite hard to start accepting that as as normal and start really embracing your body for whatever it looks like when it’s at its healthiest and it’s gone. And also accepting that it’s going to look different to other people like there’s is no, there are people around that do have, you know, visible abs and are healthy. But there are also a lot of us that it actually is it is it healthy to be able to see an eight pack that that body fat percent is not conducive conducive to fertility or good health. So I guess coming to terms with that was a big, a big challenge.

Kate Callaghan  22:13  

Yeah. And as you said, Now, I think it’s important to note, if you do have a six pack, and you’ve got your period, and you’re ovulating, awesome, good for you. Exactly. But if you have a six pack, and you don’t have a period, that can be a good indicator that maybe the six pack is not so for you.

Natalie K. Douglas  22:30  

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that, you know, not not walking into your gym and and looking around and being like, why am I not like these people? Because you don’t know everyone’s story. You know, no one’s got everything plastered around everywhere to know that, you know, how are they feeling? On the inside? How How does the period Look how to say, you know, energy levels, look throughout the day houses sleep. So don’t judge and just focus on your own journey, and really all optimizing what it feels like what it looks like to be healthy in your body. Absolutely. Great advice. NET really good. He’s giving us advice to myself.

Kate Callaghan  23:11  

Yes, yes.

Natalie K. Douglas  23:15  

Before we kind of sign off and whatnot, I wanted to leave our audience with our top five tips for dealing with HJ. And also our special announcement that I want you to tell everyone about AHA, I’m going to ruin it. I’ll let you tell them.

Kate Callaghan  23:38  

So, so first of all, how about you tell us? What are your top two tips for dealing with HA and then I’ll tell you a few others.

Natalie K. Douglas  23:47  

Alright, sounds good. Well, number one for me would be removing yourself from environments that make you feel you need to do something in order to feel good about yourself as in, you need to, you know, exercise a certain amount. So don’t go to the gym. If you feel like you’re being watched, or, you know, don’t go somewhere where there’s pressure on you in any way. I’d also do a bit of a friend clean out and that might sound harsh, but stop hanging around people that are always commenting on what you look like or what you’re wearing or what you die you’re trying this month and you know chill with those friends that you feel comfortable with turning up in your man Jackie’s up boots, no bra Heron and Anna bond and like her like she Vincent teenage boy. And you know, those are your people with those people because you’re not going to feel any pressure to the way. By the way, my legs are really smooth right now just say,

Kate Callaghan  24:41  

Well, I know.

Natalie K. Douglas  24:44  

That’s why you giggled.

Guilty. The other tip would be to get distracted. Now, I don’t care how they says, Look, I started a veggie garden, which kind of died not too long after but it worked well for a while. And it was a good distraction. I also watched multiple episodes of Gilmore Girls, documentaries on people living in the jungle and started experiments in the kitchen, it was actually really interesting, don’t mock it, there are some amazing people in the Amazon, I’m telling you now.

And you know, it doesn’t matter what you do that the

point is to do something that isn’t focusing on exercising, and don’t make it something competitive, because then you’re just feeding into that same type A personality. So just relax, unwind, and stop trying to be the best at everything.

Kate Callaghan  25:40  

Awesome. I shouldn’t mute myself when I’m

Natalie K. Douglas  25:45  

trying to cut you off guard with the Amazon stuff. But

I’ll send you some links. Yeah, thanks. I like that.

All right, so they’re my top two button. Now, what are the other three? What would your three tips, okay,

Kate Callaghan  26:01  

so I have to compose myself. So the first tip that I suggest everyone with HA to get started with is to make peace with the fact that things need to change. And what you’re currently doing isn’t working. So this is probably going to be the hardest, but also the most important step that you need to make, okay. And so making note of what’s going on in your life, you might have to strip too much stress in your life, you might be exercising too much. You might be eating too, though you might be too late, it could be a combination of all of these, you need to change it. And until you accept the fact that if nothing changes, nothing changes, then you’re not going to want to make any of the other changes that you need to do or take any of the other steps that you need to take. So make peace with that fact first. Second, I guess this is kind of following on from your tip, not hanging out with the jungle people not hanging out with people who comfortable or make you feel comfortable in that sort of getting support. So you know, from the outside looking in fixing ha it seems like an easy task to eat more, exercise less stress less, it might even seem pretty straightforward. But in reality, we do have a crazy female brains to deal with. So having support to help you through the process is truly truly invaluable. So you’re probably going to have thoughts along the way of if I change as I said, my friends family partner won’t love me anymore. They will. And if they don’t

Natalie K. Douglas  27:26  

like new boobs to feel confident, right, like

Kate Callaghan  27:29  

boobs. But if you don’t have boobs, that’s okay, as well, everybody is different, but focus on your own positives. And so yeah, if someone’s not supporting you, if they’re judging you, then they’re not the types of people that you want to hang around with. So tell your loved ones, your friends, your family, tell them what you’re going through and ask for their support. And they’ll be happy to help you through it. And if you really want to take it to the next level you can do is I did and tell the whole into eBay and write a blog post that really helped me in terms of getting started and staying on track is really good source of accountability. And it also helped to inspire other women around the world with HA because there’s more information coming out about it now. But a few years ago, there wasn’t much at all. And as a strength in numbers Really? Yeah, for sure. So tell the world that you’ve got no period, and that you’re going to make changes. Yes. Second part to that. Exactly. And then my third tip would be to eat obviously, eat all the foods don’t skimp on calories, carbs, fat, so protein, your body needs all of them, your brain needs all of them and needs them in abundance right now. So can get it out of that I’m in a feminine reproduction would be a bad idea right now mindset. Okay, so 88888, the reality is, you probably will need to force yourself to eat a little bit at the start, because for a period of time, you probably told your body that you’re not hungry. So you’re probably not in tune with your natural hunger and satiety cues, and you need to force yourself to eat more, which sounds horrible, and it’s not intuitive eating at all. That will come later on.

Natalie K. Douglas  29:13  

Yeah, it’s just, you know, a stepping stone to get to where you want to be. And I would say like, as you specified, don’t, don’t focus on following any particular diet, except for just eating real food and eating all of the foods like it’s, I I fell into that trap of, you know, trying high fat, low fat, high carb, low carb. And the reality is that when you’re you’re healing your boyfriend, something like this, you need them all. Like you need all of the macronutrients and you tie everything Yes. And to just not get caught up in counting anything. Just, you know, make sure it’s all in there and eat lots of it and enjoy that enjoy, you know, fueling your body and having enough energy and nourishment fine for, because I guarantee that most of you, for many years have undefended and counted calories and counted carbs and all these, you know, draining stuff not just physically but mentally. So take a break from that. Exactly. Great advice. Thanks. Now, I want you to tell us a little bit of that and exciting HA project that you have been hard working hard at behind the scenes.

Kate Callaghan  30:30  

Thanks, Nick. I have it’s been a bit of a labor of love. And it’s been a long time in the making. And it’s just been a matter of finding the time to do it. So I have created an eight week online course for women with HH. So healing HA online course for women to come and get their period back all together. So it’s a completely online resource where we go through eight different modules, including gut health, getting your mindset, right, we go through food, we go through exercise, we go through adrenal health, we go through detox, detoxification supplementation, we go through alternative treatments, and whether or not they’re going to work, we go through addressing fear foods, we go through a whole lot of body image and self love. That’s just a start. And we also at the end, we look at how to keep you period and keep it on track and get it regular and address period issues once it comes back, because it will come back. And so it’s really all encompassing. And the reason why I haven’t launched it just yet, it’s sitting there, it’s ready to go. I haven’t launched it just yet. Because I’m actually going to be in there doing the course, with the participants, I’m going to be guiding them every step of the way. And I’m going to be there with them to hold their hand. So I really wanted to make sure that I had the time to be present with participants to help them and to be their go to person when they were having those those times, which went to the difficult as you know, we all have those dark times. So yeah, I’m really excited. I’m really hoping to launch the first round at the end of sep tember now mid September, in September, after I get back from Australia,

Natalie K. Douglas  32:07  

how exciting. And honestly, I would say that having all of that stuff in one place, and with the support, not just of Kate, but of everyone else who’s in the course going through, it would just be so invaluable if I could, you know, if I had to go through it all, again, there is no doubt that I would be enrolling in this course because it’s exhausting trying to find all the answers yourself. And also really expensive trying to find all the answers yourself. And like we’ve said along the way, it actually having support and accountability is one of the biggest things. And if you can get that all in one place with all this information from someone who’s been there who’s, you know, really struggled through all this stuff, and has tried so many different things. And he’s out the other side with, you know, a beautiful little girl a regular period and who is happy and confident in their own skin, then, you know, there’s, there’s nothing else that is like this out there. I have not heard of any other courses or people doing this, Kate. So I think, you know, you’ve really, really hit the nail on the head. And I’m really, really excited to see all of the people that you help along the way.

Kate Callaghan  33:25  

Thanks so much. Now that means a lot, it really does mean a lot.

Natalie K. Douglas  33:27  

You’re welcome. And look, we’re going to wrap up here, because we made a pact that we would try not to go over too long, so that everyone would not have to listen to our beautiful voices for too long.

Kate Callaghan  33:40  

Get a

Natalie K. Douglas  33:42  

little bit of a cough it is and I keep referring to boobs and being in the Amazon. So let’s just close up now. So you can find Kate at the holistic nutritionist. com. You can also find her on Facebook. So it’s facebook.com slash Kate Callahan, nutritionist. And you can also follow her on Instagram. So it’s the holistic nutritionist again. And you can find me at health by whole foods.com.au. Same with Facebook. And same with Instagram. So we’re going to continue this podcast as frequently as we can. So we’re aiming for fortnightly. But what we want you guys to do is give us some feedback about topics or questions that you have for us that you want to address. So we can direct the podcast to your needs as well.

Kate Callaghan  34:34  

Yeah, that would be awesome. So it’s not just about HA we just wanted to give a bit of an introduction and some tips on HA but it’s really going to be as the name suggests a holistic podcast addressing a whole array of health issues. That you’re struggling with you the audience. Yes, raising people.

Natalie K. Douglas  34:51  

That’s it and the Amazon will be will make sure that I get to talk about who’s at some stage ah being in love with God health. I have half a half to get that in there. So someone please suggest that just so I can feel like it’s actually a need, not just a want. It’s important. It is

Kate Callaghan  35:12  

hoping period. That’s what we’ll talk about

Natalie K. Douglas  35:14  

here is Gosh, we should change the name of our podcast.

Kate Callaghan  35:18  

show people it is gagging. Yeah, probably.

Natalie K. Douglas  35:21  

All right, Kate, thank you so much. And I will speak to you next week. Thanks, Matt. Take care. Bye bye.